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Posted by Kat on Mar-15th-02 at 3:40 AM

Referenced back to Thread "Which Way To Lizzie's House"-from TOPIC= Fall River And It's Environs...

Trial, Alice Russell, pg. 406.

I was researching independently of you, Harry--ate my dinner (late) while reading Alice--didn't see your post till now--didn't think you'd still be at it.
Oh SO CLOSE!

Hope she's not confused...

Q:  The bodies at that time were laid, do you know, in the dining- room?  (me--By 8:45 p.m. approx., when she and Lizzie made their cellar visit)
A: Yes, sir
Q: The dining room was closed up that night?
A: Yes, sir
Q: So that then you wouldn't pass through the dining- room if you were going down to the kitchen?
A: No, sir
Q: You did not, at any rate.  You either went down the back stairs directly in the kitchen or else you went down the front stairs and came in the kitchen?
A: Yes, sir
Q: And neither of the bodies were in the sitting-room?
A: Yes, sir

Thanks to everyone for their BIG help.  I've REALLY been wondering about this *fact* since time began.
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Officer Hyde said Alice was "nervous" when he saw her through the cellar window holding the light for Lizzie...her hand was shaking and she would not enter the cellar any more than 3 or 4 feet from the bottom of the steps.
He says he saw them and their light (834) come out of the sitting room and into the kitchen and then the entry way to the cellar steps.

The odd thing he observed was when Lizzie returned alone about 15 minutes later (p.835).  She went into the sink room and "stooped" near the sink, that had a little closet door underneath, but he does not think she opened that cupboard.  The blood-stained clothes and other bloody evidence that had been removed from the bodies and the rooms, were stored in that sink room BUT were 4 or 5 feet from where Lizzie stooped.
Turns out the pail with her bloody rags was the nearest thing to where she hovered for half-a-minute .!!!
(pgs.845-7)

Any theories?


(Message last edited Mar-15th-02  3:56 AM.)

Rebello to the rescue. Page 99, Autopsies of the bodies

"The bodies were first examined at 3:30 p.m. on August 4, 1892. Mrs. Borden's body was in the dining room. Mr. Borden's body was in the sitting room. Both bodies were placed on undertaker's boards."

Andrew's body was probably moved from the sitting room to the dining room after his autopsy and Alice would have seen both bodies in the dining room that evening.

I'll have to think about that pail and bloody rags.

(Message last edited Mar-17th-02  5:29 PM.)

Good job...I had it figured where we Knew Andrew was autopsied in the Sitting room, finally, but nothing was said about Abby--so I didn't want to assume she was there also.

I'm waiting for someone to come up with a theory that encompasses Lizzie possibly visiting that pail in the cellar for ...What Purpose...?