92 Second St 1892-1918

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:26 am

I am sure it is listed here on the site somewhere, but I can't seem to find it, so I beg your indulgence and ask these questions.
If I remember correctly, Lizzie didn't live on Second St. after the trial, did she? I am fairly certain I remember Emma living there during the trial.
Having said that, how long from the end of the trial was it before they moved to French Street? Also, since they didn't sell the house until 1918, does anyone know who lived there? Given the fact of the most gruesome murders which occurred there, I would think they would have trouble renting the place.

Tina-Kate · Post by **Tina-Kate** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:56 am

Lizzie would have officially lived @ 92 for a short while after the trial, tho it looks as tho she may have travelled quite a bit. My memory isn't working properly today...but I think it may have only been around 6 months before they moved to Maplecroft.

There were reports of people trespassing & hanging around 92, so I doubt anyone could blame them for moving away from the notoriety of the place as soon as possible.

Until 92 was sold, it was changed back into 2 apts & they had various tenants living in the house. Most notably, Hyman Lubinsky.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:26 am

In Rebello's book he lists people who lived there by census, and who owned the place. In The Hatchet June/July 2005, pages 38 & 39, there are extra names, and points out the address changes as well, from 1850 thru 1930.
After 1918 the next census would be 1920, and my 1920 list has 6 people in one family living there. In 1930 I show 7 people in 2 families.
See Rebello for additional info, pages 34, 35.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:02 pm

Kat your are such a treasure. Thank-you for pointing me in the right direction. I have been wanting to get the Rebello book and haven't yet. would you happen to know where I could find one at a good price? I saw a thread from a few years back saying he had a few left, but I wonder if he still has any available.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:53 pm

Sorry, no, I don't know where to buy Leonard Rebello's book Lizzie Borden Past & Present, Al-Zach Press, Fall River, MA, 1999. ISBN: 0-9670739-0-1.
Maybe you can write the author and ask?

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:23 am

Please beg my ignorance, but I don't know how to begin to contact him.
I did find the book on line at Amazon for, can you believe, $2000.00!
I know it's a very good book to have, but that kind of money is more in lines with an original Porter.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:32 am

Here is a link.
You can only ask, right?
Maybe include a self-addressed stamped envelope?
viewtopic.php?t=1619

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:15 am

Well we know she stayed the first night after acquittal with the Holmes' on Pine Street where there was a welcome home party. I wonder just when she arrived at the Covell's Farewell Street home in Newport and just how long she stayed with them? I would think it was not for the entire summer. The move-in date was, I believe Sept 3 or 4, 1893 for their Maplecroft arrival and Lizzie left with friends to go to Chicago for the Columbian Expo before it closed in October 1893. I guess Emma had to manage the unpacking! I have always wondered if Lizzie ever went inside #92 again once she had moved to Maplecroft. Surely she passed it from time to time over her lifespan. I wonder what went through her mind.

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:47 am

The following is extracted from a column titled “Golf All The Go” covering summer events in the Newport area:

"The Boston Globe, Sunday, July 16, 1893 – page 20

The Misses Lizzie and Emma Borden of Fall River spent last Sunday in Newport, as guests of Mrs. William K. Covell, Farewell st. Mrs. Covell is the sister of Mrs. Holmes, the banker’s wife, who was one of the witnesses in Miss Lizzie’s behalf at the trial."

It would appear from this they were there at least on July 9 which would have been the "last Sunday" referred to in this news clip. The article does not mention when they arrived or left.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:49 am

Oh that's good! So Mrs. Holmes was also a Remington?

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:06 pm

Yes, her maiden name was Remington. She married C. J. in 1858.

Bridget worked for one of the Remington families. In her Preliminary testimony she testified:

"Q. That is to say, what season of the year was it you came to Mr. Borden’s?
A. Some day in November, I think.
Q. Two years last November?
A. Yes Sir.
Q. Did you come from another place there?
A. Yes Sir.
Q. Whose place was that?
A. Mrs. Remington’s in High street.
Q. How long had you lived there?
A. Seven months."

I've always assumed it was because of the Holmes/Remington connection that Bridget ended up with the Bordens.

With Emma there in Newport with Lizzie it makes you wonder if there is a photo of her on the porch somewhere. We can only hope.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:19 pm

Maybe Emma was not so fond of having her photo taken! So the Remington on High Street was Mrs. Holmes' mother do you suppose? I wonder why Bridget would want to leave them and go to Second Street. Maybe her chores were lighter with Abby.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:25 am

From The Hatchet Feb/March 2006, pg. 18, "Looking For Emma" by Kat K.:

They were whisked to the Holmes residence in Fall River with the top down so Lizzie could laugh with the wind in her hair and see the sky and hear the birdsong. When they approached the town limits they closed the top up again for a more sedate entrance. There was an impromptu party and the girls spent the night. The next day, more sedately, they proceeded home without fanfare, as the crowds had dispersed who had gathered there the day before because the girls were no longer expected at a particular time. There were questions asked openly about any future plans and rumor had them traveling to Europe, tearing down the house and rebuilding, moving away altogether, or buying and settling in a better part of town. In fact, in a few short months they visited Mrs. King-Covell in Newport, their ally Mrs. Holmes’ sister; they looked at property to buy in Fall River and visited Cook their man of business; Lizzie attended church, saw Mrs. Wright to thank her for her ministrations over the period of Lizzie’s incarceration; they bought a property at #7 French Street; moved in September seventh; handed over Abby’s small estate to her family and wrote them out of their lives; and Lizzie headed to Chicago to enjoy the Columbian Exposition just before it closed.

--The Exposition in Chicago ended in October- so these things were all accomplished between June 20th and say, October 20th.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:28 am

BTW: The ladies of Farewell Street, Newport, and Washington Street, Newport are probably still related but one of them did not care, so I did not do their genealogy.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:58 am

Here is the story told by the family in Newport, as a download:

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:07 am

Shelley @ Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:19 pm wrote:Maybe Emma was not so fond of having her photo taken! So the Remington on High Street was Mrs. Holmes' mother do you suppose? I wonder why Bridget would want to leave them and go to Second Street. Maybe her chores were lighter with Abby.

Yes, Emma was definitely camera shy.

Did some digging. Bridget said she worked for the Bordens shy of 3 years. That would mean she left the Remington's in 1889. Per the 1889 city directory the only Remington family on High Street in 1889 was C.V.S. Remington, cotton broker, of the firm Remington and Davol. They resided at 89 High St. #89 High St. was apparently renumbered to #747 High as per the 1896 city directory.

The current city property photos show a relatively modest home at 747 High St. You can only see one side of the house. It does, however, seem to have some historic sign on it. The writing is too small to read. It appears too small to be the house.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:08 am

Thanks, Harry. I will have a look at it this week. Maybe a larger house used to be on the property. All very interesting stuff.