Here comes "Squeaky"

[Harry]

Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme is scheduled for release from prison after serving 34 years. She was a follower of Charles Manson and was convicted of attempting to assassinate President Ford.

It's hard to believe she is 60 years old now.

http://tinyurl.com/mwmp8x

[twinsrwe]

I just read, and was about to post, this very thing, Harry!

I wonder if she will now be heading to California to contact Charlie Manson? It is my understanding that she has remained a devoted follower of his. If this is true, she really needs to 'wake up and smell the coffee' regarding this guy.

[doug65oh]

Well, I suppose the only thing we can hope for is that she’s found something in the last 34 years that took care of that “squeak” huh? But seriously, the key phrase here is “released on parole.” You can bet dollars to Dunkins that someone has fully informed Ms. Fromme exactly what the terms of her parole are and the consequences should she violate them.

But for her association with Manson, who would this woman be but another misguided nut with poor aim? At most it makes her just slightly more interesting than Sara Jane Moore..yaknow?

[Nadzieja]

I agree with twinsrwe, that was my first thought. I wonder if they would let her in to see him. I sure hope not. I can't believe she is 60 years old.

[1bigsteve]

I doubt The Squeak has learned anything. I'm sure she will get into some trouble. I just hope she doesn't kill anybody. She may have learned to chamber a round before pulling the trigger, but lets hope not. What a crazy legal system we have.

I expect Susan Atkins to die soon from her brain cancer. It is stablized, or was when I spoke to her a few months ago, but I have a feeling it will come charging back full force soon. One of the other Manson members was released years ago and joined a Band. I sure hope Manson himself stays in prison.


-1bigsteve (o:

[twinsrwe]

... I expect Susan Atkins to die soon from her brain cancer. It is stablized, or was when I spoke to her a few months ago, but I have a feeling it will come charging back full force soon. ...

-1bigsteve (o:

Steve, you actually spoke to Susan Atkins? What did she say, if I may ask? I'll understand if you don't wish to share this conversation with us. But, WOW!

... One of the other Manson members was released years ago and joined a Band. ...

-1bigsteve (o:

Hmmm, I haven't heard of this before. Who was this family member?

... I sure hope Manson himself stays in prison.


-1bigsteve (o:

I'm with you on this one!!! That man is one scary dude!!!

[1bigsteve]

I talked with Susan Atkins by mail just a few weeks after her leg was amputated. Since she claimed to have converted to a scriptural based life we talked about scriptural matters and I felt that she was talking with very good sense with absolutely no hint of "insanity" or crazyness of any kind. I felt like I was talking with a completely normal person who was very aware of reality and what was going on around her and I found the conversation to be very pleasant. Neither one of us brought up anything about the crimes. She invited me to write again but I haven't yet. Maybe I should while she is still alive.

I can't remember the name of the Manson follower but if I remember right he was released about thirty years ago and moved to San Fransisco and joined a musical band. He was one of the "fringe" members.

A guy I knew years ago was in prison with Manson and he said Manson had a demonic look in his eyes, a very creepy looking guy. I hope Manson never sees the light of day. He needs to stay in prison. He admited he would kill again if released.


-1bigsteve (o:

[Kat]

I never knew Manson had ever claimed or admitted to killing anyone, let alone kill *again.*

Writing someone is talking to them? I will say that phrasing surprised me when that was explained.

We have another member here who I recall had correspondence with Manson. She has not been active here lately but maybe she would elaborate if asked?

[mbhenty]

lynette fromme

[1bigsteve]

I never knew Manson had ever claimed or admitted to killing anyone, let alone kill *again.*

Writing someone is talking to them? I will say that phrasing surprised me when that was explained.

We have another member here who I recall had correspondence with Manson. She has not been active here lately but maybe she would elaborate if asked?

"Spoke" and "talking" may not be the precise technical terms I should have used but have you ever "communicated" with someone by letter in a "conversational" form? Some people have that writing ability. It's like you are sitting there with them or talking by phone. "Spoke" and "talking" were the only words that came to my mind at the time. "Writing" is a technical term for some sort of "communication" but for all anyone knew she and I could have been sending blue prints of the Empire State Building back and forth. A "conversation" is basically what we had and that is the reason I used the words "spoke" and "talking." When I send email or write a letter by hand I almost always say, "Ill talk with you later." It's a bad habit I guess.

Manson shot a man to death, according to eye witnesses, with the same .22 caliber revolver that was used at the Tate killings. "Kill again" are his words not mine. But, what can we expect from a nut case? Nothing he ever said makes sense. The guy is a real sick-o. I doubt the other member would want to talk about that creep.

I'll talk with you later, Kat.


-1bigsteve (o:

[doug65oh]

Ever wonder what became of that grand old phrase "I had a letter from..."? It just might fit here...yaknow?

[twinsrwe]

I talked with Susan Atkins by mail just a few weeks after her leg was amputated. Since she claimed to have converted to a scriptural based life we talked about scriptural matters and I felt that she was talking with very good sense with absolutely no hint of "insanity" or crazyness of any kind. I felt like I was talking with a completely normal person who was very aware of reality and what was going on around her and I found the conversation to be very pleasant. Neither one of us brought up anything about the crimes. She invited me to write again but I haven't yet. Maybe I should while she is still alive. ...


-1bigsteve (o:

Thanks for sharing this information with us, Steve. I believe that Susan has truly changed and is indeed remorseful for her actions; I think this also applies to Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel. This may also apply to Tex Watson, as well.

I think the following link shows Susan in the manner in which you descibed her.

Susan Atkins 2002 Interview with Dianne Sawyer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqooUe0 ... re=related

[1bigsteve]

Ever wonder what became of that grand old phrase "I had a letter from..."? It just might fit here...yaknow?

"I had a letter from... and?" What did he/she say? Oops can't use "say" because there was nothing "verbal" said. OK, so what did he/she talk about? Oops, can't say "talk" because there was nothing verbal said. OK, OK, so what did he/she discuss? Oops, can't use that word either.

Personally I prefer to say "talked" when two people write back and forth. See how my simple brain works?
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Judy, I agree with you about Susan Atkins. I got the strong impression that her "lunacy" days are over, behind her. She "talked" with such good sense. Her choice of words made me think they were coming out of a clear mind and not some fog bank in left field. Her brain cancer was in remission when we "spoke" but that can change in a New York minute. I saw parts of the interview and she seemed aware of her situation and didn't seem the least bit crazy. Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie Van Houton may have changed also. I'm not so sure of Tex Watson. Manson is completely out of it. Master Freak-O!

The sad part is that Susan Atkins started out in life a very normal person. The strain of her mother dying, having to take care of her younger brother by herself when her father took off, trouble in school and everything else drove her into a troubled life. People like her are sitting ducks when a smooth talker like Manson crawls out of the sewer promising peace, love and whatever. Because of that slimy slithering piece of garbage a lot of lives have been destroyed. What a sad situation.


-1bigsteve (o:

[twinsrwe]

... I can't remember the name of the Manson follower but if I remember right he was released about thirty years ago and moved to San Fransisco and joined a musical band. He was one of the "fringe" members. ...

-1bigsteve (o:

He has to be Steve Grogan. I was surfing the internet and found this:

In 1977 he provided authorities with a map to the location to where Shea's body was buried. His remorse and his excellent prison record won him parole in November 1985 and he was released from prison. To this day, Grogan is the only Manson family member convicted of murder who has been released from prison.

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/ig/The ... grogan.htm

Note: The bold highlighting is mine.

[1bigsteve]

Yes, Steve Grogan must be the member I'm thinking about, Judy. I heard he has since joined a Band in San Fransisco. One other member was released (Sandra Goode?) and she moved close to the prison Manson is in to feel his "vibes." I'd say she is still a threat but maybe, at 65, she doesn't have murder on her mind.

Thanks for the link, Judy.


-1bigsteve (o:

[Kat]

Good find, thanks!

AS for writing vs. talking- there are no subliminal signals, no voice stress or pitch, no body language, no facial expressions. Writing is one thing, and can even be fictional - observing and interacting in a conversation is another thing entirely- as when a conversation is being described in writing- it seems useful to be precise as to the manner of communicating.

[1bigsteve]

Does anyone know who gave the gun to Squeaks? The one she tried to use on President Ford? I thought it ironic that she spent 34 years in prison for the attempt to kill the president but never got a shot off because there wasn't a bullet in the chamber. I'll bet she has been kicking herself. Maybe that squeaking sound we hear is her brain...


-1bigsteve (o:

[twinsrwe]

... Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie Van Houton may have changed also. I'm not so sure of Tex Watson. Manson is completely out of it. Master Freak-O!

-1bigsteve (o:

The reason I believe that Patricia has changed is due to the emotion she displays in the following video, when she states, "Everyday I wake up, and know that I am a destroyer, of the most precious thing, which is life. And, ah, living with that, is the most difficult thing of all. And I do that because that is what I deserve, is to wake up every morning and know that." Although Leslie shows less physical emotion than Patricia, her statements do show her regret. And of course there is Charlie showing his true insane nature. The part I'm referring to, starts around 1 minute, 30 seconds into this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQSwYC1_ ... re=related

I don't know very much about Tex Watson, however I did find this web site which contains online books by Charles Watson:

http://www.aboundinglove.org/sensational/sen-007.php

Note: In the upper right hand corner are other books he wrote regarding his life with the Manson Family.

[twinsrwe]

Steve and Kat: You're welcome for the link on Steve Grogan.

[twinsrwe]

... One other member was released (Sandra Goode?) and she moved close to the prison Manson is in to feel his "vibes." I'd say she is still a threat but maybe, at 65, she doesn't have murder on her mind. ...


-1bigsteve (o:

You're right Steve, Sandra Good served 10 years of a 15-year sentence for conspiring to use the mail and telephone lines to threaten corporate executives she said were polluters.

http://www.mansonfamilytoday.info/good- ... parole.htm

Although Sandra wasn't in prison for murder, her action of moving close to the prison where Manson is incarcerated, is a bit unnerving.

[1bigsteve]

Good find, thanks!

AS for writing vs. talking- there are no subliminal signals, no voice stress or pitch, no body language, no facial expressions. Writing is one thing, and can even be fictional - observing and interacting in a conversation is another thing entirely- as when a conversation is being described in writing- it seems useful to be precise as to the manner of communicating.

Well, I'll be sure I split hairs next time in describing how I "communicate" with someone. Or better yet I'll drive to the prison and sit on Susan's lap with a Wollensak and get every vocal inflection. There is no way I would visit her or anyone else in any prison. They might want to keep me there. "Hey, you look guilty."

So I guess we on the forum are not "talking" to each other, we are "communicating in written form?"

OK. Well it's always nice to talk, I mean "communicate with you in written form" Kat.


-1bigsteve (o:

[1bigsteve]

... One other member was released (Sandra Goode?) and she moved close to the prison Manson is in to feel his "vibes." I'd say she is still a threat but maybe, at 65, she doesn't have murder on her mind. ...


-1bigsteve (o:

You're right Steve, Sandra Good served 10 years of a 15-year sentence for conspiring to use the mail and telephone lines to threaten corporate executives she said were polluters.

http://www.mansonfamilytoday.info/good- ... parole.htm

Although Sandra wasn't in prison for murder, her action of moving close to the prison where Manson is incarcerated, is a bit unnerving.

I think all three women truely regret killing those people. Their years spent growing older and being away from Manson's influence has helped lift the "fog" from their minds. In yesterday's local newspaper some of the "fringe" members have changed their names and had surgery to remove the "X" from their forheads. They talk, I mean "communicate in written form" with real good sense. They seem to truely regret what they got involved in. One member said, "I wasn't as dead in the head as some of the others." She knew Manson was full of it but building those dune buggys and looking for places to hide was "fun."

In a side note, Steve McQueen and a friend were schedualed to visit with Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring on the night of the killings but they got involved with another friend and ended up somewhere else. Later he found out that his name was on Manson's hit list. He carried a gun for months after that and made his wife sleep with a gun under her pillow. Hollywood was a wreck that summer.


-1bigsteve (o:

[twinsrwe]

I think I'll place this here instead of starting a new topic, since we are already discussing members of the Manson Family. Today and tomorrow marks the 40th anniversary of the Tate-LaBianca murders. It's hard to believe that it has been 40 years!

40 Years Later, Manson Murders Remembered
http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=8289456&page=1

FOX News Reporting: 'Summer of Evil: The Manson Murders'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536520,00.html

40 Years Ago Today: The Manson Murders
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/08/ ... manson.php

Manson By Steve Oney
http://www.lamag.com/featuredarticle.aspx?id=16882

'Helter Skelter' author Vincent Bugliosi looks back.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/209940

[twinsrwe]

... I think all three women truely regret killing those people. Their years spent growing older and being away from Manson's influence has helped lift the "fog" from their minds. ...

-1bigsteve (o:

I agree, Steve. Most people do change as they grow older; I say most people because it seems as though Charlie Manson has not changed - if he has changed at all, it is definitely not for the better. I know I have changed a great deal from when I was young and stupid!!!

... In yesterday's local newspaper some of the "fringe" members have changed their names and had surgery to remove the "X" from their forheads. They talk, I mean "communicate in written form" with real good sense. They seem to truely regret what they got involved in. One member said, "I wasn't as dead in the head as some of the others." She knew Manson was full of it but building those dune buggys and looking for places to hide was "fun." ...

-1bigsteve (o:

I was reading the same thing when I doing the research for my previous posts!

... In a side note, Steve McQueen and a friend were schedualed to visit with Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring on the night of the killings but they got involved with another friend and ended up somewhere else. Later he found out that his name was on Manson's hit list. He carried a gun for months after that and made his wife sleep with a gun under her pillow. Hollywood was a wreck that summer.

-1bigsteve (o:

OMG, I didn't know this before. How scary!

[xyjw]

I once read that Jerzy Kosinski (spelling?) was also invited to be a guest at Sharon Tate's house party but lost his luggage in Chicago and couldn't get another flight until the next day. He wrote that wonderful book Being There, that was later made into a movie starring Peter Sellers. I remember when this horrible incident happened and it still scares me even after 40 years.

[1bigsteve]

I remember feeling the shock that something like this could happen. I had never heard of anything like this before and it felt unreal. The crime and trial was all over the news for a couple of years it seemed. Looking at the autopsy photos gives you an idea as to what those poor people went through before they died.


-1bigsteve (o:

[Kat]

Well Steve, my last post on the subject- and I'm not sure why any of my comments *read* to you like personal criticism?- it is not meant that way- maybe it is because you haven't met me, nor can see my face or eyebrows, or my tone of voice etc.
How can you know you are even writing the person who they represent themselves as?- that's a big question when corresponding rather than 'talking." Rhetorical question.