Would you really want to know who killed the Bordens?

dalcanton · Post by **dalcanton** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:10 pm

There are so many theories as to who killed the Bordens that it boggles the brain. After reading through so many posts, there are so many angles to the case that sometimes I feel like I need a roadmap. My sister (who doesn't understand my fascination with the Borden murders) said to me the other day, "If the truth ever comes out, at least then you can finally put this obsession to rest." I thought about what she said & to be honest, I don't know if I ever want the truth to come out. Sure, part of me would just love to know what really happened on that hot August morning, but then again, the mystery & intrigue wouldn't be there anymore. As much as it'd be great to finally know the truth, I also enjoy speculating about different theories. Personally, I'm on the fence about whether or not Lizzie did it. I can go either way. But, I have to admit that if it ever came out for sure that she were really innocent, I think I'd be a bit disappointed. I guess it's the allure of the legend of Lizzie Borden that I wouldn't want to see be destroyed. What does anyone else think?

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:32 pm

Yes- that about sums it up. Enigmas are always fascinating- especially if there can be many possible solutions and the true one will most likely never be known. I think there is a probable one though- the simplest explanation.

It is also fun to have your theory and feel you are as correct as anyone else. That kind of opportunity doesn't come along much.

Yooper · Post by **Yooper** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:49 pm

I think the most interesting turn the case could take would be if some new information came out which proved Lizzie couldn't have been the murderer. If not Lizzie, then WHO?

andrea · Post by **andrea** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:48 pm

Great topic/question, dalcanton

I love a mystery... but it's often a letdown once it is solved. At the same time, I think I'd like to know the truth in this case... I think... maybe

The fun for me is in exploring all the angles and possibilities. I try to keep an open mind. And I'm not yet convinced either way of Lizzie's guilt or innocence.

So the puzzle continues...

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:11 pm

I love the quest in this mystery also and even though the mystery would be solved I WOULD like to know who killed the Bordens. I honestly would like to know if Lizzie did it or if she had any part in it. If she did on either account to me, the greater mystery to explore would be how Lizzie managed to live her life after the murders the way she did and if she didn't on either account then again same applies as to how her life was led after the murders. To me, it's always more fascinating to explore the human side of this case.

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:36 pm

I will probably always believe that Lizzie did it. I think there was more to the motive than money, however. I would like to know for certain. It would just add another layer. It may or may not make us like or dislike Lizzie any more than we already do. The re enactments might certainly be a lot wilder, depending, of course, upon "who done it."

Constantine · Post by **Constantine** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:37 pm

Many years ago, the girl who lived next door said to me, "I can't wait till the Last Judgment to find out who did it!"

jcurrie · Post by **jcurrie** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:07 am

I know exactly what everybody means about almost not wanting to know who really did the awful deed. I think what makes it fascinating for us Lizzie addicts that there is this element of doubt and this is what is so intriguing. Plus, the kind of lifestyle Lizzie had and her strange family.

Bob Gutowski · Post by **Bob Gutowski** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:03 am

Not to be selfish, 'cause it would deprive future Bordenians of the fun of speculation, but yeah, at this point, after nearly forty whacks - years, I mean, of study, I'd like to know if it WAS Lizzie, or if it could NOT have been Lizzie.

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:39 pm

Although I believe Lizzie was the killer of both Abby and Andrew, I think I would be horribly disappointed to find out that there is proof beyond reasonable doubt that she, and she alone, was the actual killer. What would we discuss then? There would no longer be a Lizzie Borden Society Forum!!!

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:42 pm

We could always talk about the basement, and flat irons.

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:47 pm

stargazer @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:42 pm wrote:We could always talk about the basement, and flat irons.

Or what brand of hatchet she used.

Personally part of me want's to see the mystery solved and part of me does not. If it is solved the "wonder" part of a good story is gone and then it all becomes anti-climactic. We would then be looking for a new mystery to get involved in. I think we all love a good mystery. It keeps our juices flowing, our mind active and gives us something to look forward to.

-1bigsteve (o:

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:29 am

I have no fear of finding out what the answer is if it was somehow discovered who killed Andrew and Abby.

It's like when I followed the Titanic searches in the news before it was found. I wanted it found. I remember the excitement and the feeling that went through me the moment I heard they found it. I was still in High School. I went to bed early that night. I was lying in bed in the dark when my dad called up the stairs and said "It was just on the news, they found the Titanic." That was a feeling and a moment I will never forget.

I think I would have the same feeling of the answer to the Lizzie case were discovered.

I admit it is different. With the Titanic the mystery was not, who did it? but, where is it? We knew the Titanic was out there somewhere and we knew what the Titanic was, so we knew ahead of time what they were going to find when they found it.

With the Borden case we don't know what we would find ahead of time, if we found the answer.

If the answer were found we would still have lots to talk about. There answer of who commited the crime would not change all the twists and turns in this case. There would still be plenty to discuss ; Pears in the Barn. Prussic acid, Seal skin capes, Lizzie's shoplifting, Burning the dress, Andrew's thriftiness, Mutton, Lizzie's planned fishing trip, Hot muggy weather, Emma leaving maplecroft, Dr Bowen's note, Lizzie's statement "she's not my mother, she's my stepmother" Orange Sherbet ( Mmmmmmmmm ) and the list goes on, yata yata yata.

xyjw · Post by **xyjw** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:09 am

Knowing who committed the murders wouldn't spoil the intrigue of the case. I guess I have to believe Lizzie did it but my curiosity is about the why's and what she was thinking. Even if we got confirmation that she did it, we can only guess what her justification was, and why she finally decided on killing Andrew and Abby. There are quite a few good reasons and speculations about Lizzie's possible motive and that is the most interesting aspect of the case at least for me.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:38 am

Yes I agree - finding the motive- whomever the culprit was- would be very fascinating!
Most motives tho, on TV, are listed as money, love, revenge, jealousy...

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:34 pm

AND NOW WE KNOW

Swansea resident solves Borden mystery
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Swansea resident Donel Fattibene talks about her book about the Borden murders, "I Did It!," which she self-published in July.

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By Deborah Allard
Herald News Staff Reporter
Posted Aug 23, 2009 @ 06:46 PM
Last update Aug 23, 2009 @ 07:40 PM

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Fall River — Even though Lizzie Borden was acquitted of murdering her father and stepmother, she was never really exonerated. She spent her life shunned and ridiculed by society. And, even after her death and burial in Oak Grove Cemetery, the accusations persist.

What if there was a way to really know if Lizzie did it?

For one woman, there is absolute certainty that Lizzie’s fingers never touched the hatchet that bludgeoned her parents 117 years ago in their Second Street homestead. If you ask her, she’ll tell you that Lizzie’s sister Emma did it. She acted alone and killed them both, committing if not the perfect murder, then the perfect mystery, she said.

“I have to do right by Emma now and tell her story. Just like she told me back in the ‘90s in a dream,” wrote Donel Fattibene in the preface of her book, “I Did It.”

Fattibene said Emma came to her in a dream 11 years ago and told her exactly how she murdered her parents. Fattibene, a resident of Swansea, self-published her book in July in hopes of sharing Emma’s story, and also to relieve her own conscience for keeping it to herself for so long.

“I really feel like (Emma) was reaching out,” Fattibene said. “She needs to rest.”

It all started in July of 1998. Fattibene was living in a second floor apartment in Somerset. The house was once a one-family home and had been owned by a sea captain who was buried with the rest of his family in the backyard.

Fattibene often saw shadows in the house. Her husband Jody frequently went away for several nights in a row for work. It was on one of these nights that Fattibene went to bed and was visited by a little girl with blonde curls.

She told Fattibene she was the cousin of the sea captain’s daughter. She said she was sent to Fattibene so she would not be afraid as the little girl resembled her own daughter. She told Fattibene she would be visited by a woman who had a story to tell.

The next night Emma Borden slipped into Fattibene’s dreams.

“I was never frightened,” Fattibene said. “It was a dream, but so vivid, unlike any other dream I ever had.”

She said Emma didn’t resemble any photographs she’d ever seen. Emma was old and frail, and had short, gray hair.

“She looked distressed, on a mission,” Fattibene said.

She gave Fattibene some information and asked her to verify it so she’d know she was telling the truth. Some of the information consisted of names of servants that had worked for the Bordens but were never recorded in any books or in the trial transcript. Emma told her where she could find this information in census books and libraries.

Fattibene did as she was told and then several nights later, Emma came to tell her how and why she committed the murders.

Her motive was hatred for her stepmother Abby, according to Fattibene. But, Emma never meant to kill her father.

On the chosen day, Emma said she dressed like a man, complete with a fake moustache. She set up an alibi with her cousins in Fairhaven and rented a horse and buggy, storing it in a rented barn a couple of blocks from home.

The Borden house was to be empty that morning except for Abby and the maid Bridget, who would be occupied with her chores.

On the day of the murders, Emma set out to kill Abby. She ran into problems with Lizzie being at home, her uncle John Morse staying for an unscheduled visit, and her father coming home unexpectedly. Emma did a lot of hiding out in the house and in her bedroom closet. No one discovered her presence.

After she killed Abby in the guest room with 19 whacks, Emma went downstairs to escape. Instead, she ran into her father. Suddenly, she became angry with him for taking his wife’s side over hers and Lizzie’s so many times. She knew that he would turn in his daughter for murder. She had no choice but to kill him too, Fattibene said.

Once the story was relayed to Fattibene, she said she woke the next morning and recorded it immediately.

“I was writing and writing for hours ... everything I remembered,” Fattibene said. “There was something to it. I really believe it.”

She said Emma contacted her because she’d always had an interest in the Lizzie Borden case. As a child, Fattibene spent hours at The Fall River Historical Society talking with the curator about the case. She said Emma told her she’d been trying for years to reach someone to tell her story and was never heard.

Even in her life, Emma tried to tell what she had done, but believed people would only think she was protecting Lizzie as she had always done. Emma told her sister Lizzie about killing their father and stepmother and was banished from the house. The sisters in their later life didn’t speak for years. They died nine days apart in 1927.

“I really do believe that’s how it really happened,” Fattibene said. The book, she said “is not embellished. It was done as it was told to me. It’s not padded.”

Fattibene said she’s never been visited by Emma again.

“I hope she’s finally resting now,” she said.

Copies of “I Did It! As recorded by Donel Fattibene” are available at The Fall River Historical Society, 451 Rock St. Fattibene said she has sold about 70 copies of her book since July 30.

E-mail Deborah Allard at [email protected].

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:38 pm

Sorry, I had to post that article from the Herald News so all can read it. I laughed all the way through it myself.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:42 pm

Well, Emma's closet is only 13 inches deep so I imagine it was a real stretch to hide out there in August. What a story! I have to wonder if this gal ever visited the house- or read any book on the case at all.

Yooper · Post by **Yooper** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:30 pm

Did she supply a list of previous maids and the verification documents so we can all be certain her "spook" is valid, rather than just her? About the only thing more far fetched than an intruder hiding in the house for an hour and a half is if that intruder is Emma doing a Charlie Chaplin imitation!

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:42 pm

OMG Yooper im wetting myself laughing so hard. Only thing funnier then that article is you putting the image of Emma dressed as Charlie Chaplin in my head. I can't stop laughing.

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:28 pm

I vaguely recall reading something from an older book about Emma having possibly done the deed by dressing as a man. Surely with the newspaper frenzies someone interviewed the Brownells ? The neighbors in Fairhaven would have been "all a twitter" for many months. It will be interesting to see how the former servant information stacks up.

Bob Gutowski · Post by **Bob Gutowski** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:39 am

Fargo, I loved your thoughtful post about the discovery of the Titanic.

From I DID SO DO IT!, a sequel:

"Oh, I forgot to tell you, I also dreamed the next evening that Emma showed up, took off the fake moustache, and said that she DIDN'T run into her father immediately, but that she took a nap under the guest room bed. When she heard her father hammering at the door, she realized she'd never get out of the house without him seeing her - what? THAT doesn't wash either? I'd better take a nap and hope Emma will explain why she thought she couldn't have gotten out of the house without Andrew seeing her!"

Allen · Post by **Allen** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:29 am

I would want to know who did it. I agree that if we knew who killed Andrew and Abby, there would still be plenty of topics we could cover. Knowing who did it would probably open up new topics we haven't ever discussed. We also could then try to get into the mind set of the killer. We could look at the tell tale clues in this persons actions that showed that something was brewing. I'd want to know for certain if it was Lizzie in the Guestroom with a Hatchet. We still can guess at why she did it. How long did she plan it? Did she explore any other avenues besides poison and a hatchet? What set that day as the day for a perfect murder? Knowing Ted Bundy killed those women doesn't take away any of the mystery for me. The mystery for me will always be, how could someone do something like that? Why? What was going through their mind?

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:32 pm

Ok, a short comment on fattibene's book.

I think the joke may be on us.

This is a work of fiction. Fattibene has said so in person.

Why she is sticking with the story she gave the Herald is beyond me.

My thinking is she is doing it for publicity. If so, I think she has gone to far in doing so.

I personally do not think that she believes that story. She appears to be a very rational, sensible, levelheaded and Intelligent person. If you met her you would find her very charming and interesting.

She should really come forward and make a public statement about her book and explain that the book is fiction. If not, the public will flex its bladder and pee on her.

But, who knows.......perhaps she is having fun with it.

Oh yes.........I have read the book.

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:50 pm

I gue$$ that might be a stretch. If $ales are fairly bri$k. Admitting that it's fiction will put a damper on thing$. I suppose most of us are capable of writing a good Lizzie book in first person. (as Lizbeth) I would have a ball doing that !

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:20 pm

I read it strictly as a work of fiction. Didn't expect to find total accuracy. It's a short fun read not to be taken too seriously.

What I didn't like about it was that it reminded me too much of Spiering's book. That one I rank at the bottom of the pile of Borden "non-fiction" books.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:08 am

I thought it was intended as a work of fiction?

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:52 am

Shelley @ Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:08 am wrote:I thought it was intended as a work of fiction?

Yes, that's the reason I said I read it as such. IMHO, I can't see how anyone could take it in any other way.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:14 am

Allen @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:29 pm wrote:I would want to know who did it.. . . Knowing Ted Bundy killed those women doesn't take away any of the mystery for me. The mystery for me will always be, how could someone do something like that? Why? What was going through their mind?

--partial

Expressed well, I think, Missy. Thinking this question over, your comment about Bundy is pretty much my sentiment as well. I hadn't thought of it like that.

I do tend to change my mind- but valid point there- I understand it. "How could someone?" is a little different from Motive. It's an interesting distinction.

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:08 am

From Dalcanton:

"My sister(who doesnt' understand my fascination iwth the Lizzie Bordenmurders) said to me the other day, 'If the truth ever cdomes out, at least then you can finally pt this obession to rest.'"

Nah, probably not. We'd all would be picking and disecting the verdict to death! LOL! That would give us a whole new thread to enjoy.

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:42 pm

Correct. Once involved, always involved, for most of us.

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:19 pm

stargazer @ Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:42 pm wrote:Correct. Once involved, always involved, for most of us.

That's a statement that sounds like someone was or is in the marines. LOL! SEMPER FI.

DoGeeseSeeGoD · Post by **DoGeeseSeeGoD** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:13 pm

The case will never be solved. No one needs worry about that. Even if some amazing part of evidence was to surface that offered concrete "proof" of the killer, that evidence would become the new debate. The devling into the validity of the evidence, and how and why the evidence was covered up all these years, ect.

Just like Jack the Ripper, this case will fascinate people for a very long time.

But to answer if I really would like the answer as to who killed the Bordens to be finally solved,.. yes, I would like the answer. Even though, sadly, public interest in the case would all but disappear with time. I would still have inerest in it from a historical and genealogical standpoint.

Constantine · Post by **Constantine** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:54 pm

As far as I'm concerned, the case has indeed been solved. I've next to no doubt that Lizzie did it. What I would like to know more of are the incidental details. How did Lizzie keep the blood off herself? Did she have help from Bridget? (Maybe after the fact, but not beforehand, I think.) Was the handleless hatchet the murder weapon? (I am inclined to think so.) Why did Dr. Bowen burn that paper? What was the large roll of paper already burning in the stove? And so on and so forth.

SummerCodSuz · Post by **SummerCodSuz** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:41 am

I'd love to know!

Chichibcc · Post by **Chichibcc** » Wed May 25, 2011 10:10 pm

Yes, I would like to know-I think every case deserves some form of resolution, no matter how old it is.

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Sun May 29, 2011 7:55 am

Even though I th ink Lizzie did it, I don't think I really want to find out who actually did it. I think it would ruin the mystery of who did, and all the arm chair dectives would have to go home or find anther case to solve. LOL!

shakiboo · Post by **shakiboo** » Sun May 29, 2011 8:50 am

Well, I'd like to know the truth, one way or the other. I still have a hard time believing that Lizzie did it. Don't know why.....

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Sun May 29, 2011 9:38 am

I think that it is hard to beileve that a well brought up young lady would do such an unspeakable thing.It's like that Andrea Yates case. Everyone I believe had a hard time believingshe drowned her kids, but she did it.

Yooper · Post by **Yooper** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:08 am

Doubts certainly exist, there's no question about it. Gender bias may be one reason, Judge Blaisdell summed it up well when he took the perspective of if it had been a man brought before him there would be no reason to hesitate. Gender aside, if Abby had been the only one murdered, what doubts might exist? This would directly impact motive, so something might change. Playing "what if" can be productive at times.

Robert Sullivan supplied a quotation in his book "Goodbye Lizzie Borden" addressing the impact of the severity of the crime with respect to the relative importance of character references. As the severity of the crime increases, the good character of the accused becomes less important. Essentially this means that being a charter member of the Truth and Veracity League weighs more heavily if an individual is accused of shoplifting than if that individual is accused of murder.

IloveLizzie · Post by **IloveLizzie** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:32 am

I would sell my soul to be able to go back in time to 1892 August 4 and obviously be invisible and actually watch the events go down even if I was never allowed to tell any one else. For me to know the truth would be totally awesome!!! An amazing secret I could take to my grave!!

LizbethTurner · Post by **LizbethTurner** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:41 am

I would very much like to know, of course. But the idea of watching fills me with horror.

MysteryReader · Post by **MysteryReader** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:18 pm

Yes, I would want to know who killed them. Then I could move on to the next mystery (whether it's murder or something else). I can only focus on one at a time, which is amazing for a person with ADHD.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:20 pm

dalcanton wrote:... if it ever came out for sure that she were really innocent, I think I'd be a bit disappointed...

Yes, I really want to know who killed the Bordens.

And if it ever came out for sure that Lizzie were really innocent, I would be very very happy for her. Why not? she had been and is being accused, unfairly, by so many people!

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:13 pm

twinsrwe wrote:Although I believe Lizzie was the killer of both Abby and Andrew, I think I would be horribly disappointed to find out that there is proof beyond reasonable doubt that she, and she alone, was the actual killer. What would we discuss then? There would no longer be a Lizzie Borden Society Forum!!!

1. You said that you "would be horribly disappointed" if it were proved that Lizzie was guilty. Ok. I would like to know what your feeling would be if it came out that there is proof beyond reasonable doubt that the killer was not Lizzie but someone else, if you believe on her guilt?

2. Even if the Borden case were eventually solved, Lizzie being innocent or guilty, I think we would still have plenty of things to discuss.

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:09 pm

All I meant was that I would be disappointed to find out who the real killer was, whether it was Lizzie or someone else. IMO, I don't believe this forum would continue to be active for every long after the identity of the real killer were proven beyond reasonable doubt.

If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that the real killer was Lizzie, then the case would be close. If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that the real killer were someone else, then this forum would become worthless information about an innocent woman and it would cease it exist, because the case would be closed.

What would be the point of any further discussions?

What do you think would be left to discuss?

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:59 pm

I've got a feeling, twinsrwe, that even if Lizzie were found guilty, (so long as she didn't confess,) there would be supporters of hers who wouldn't believe it and would fight on, on her behalf!

Years ago I used to post on the largest Jack the Ripper site, and in the spirit of discussing other famous murders, there was a sub-forum. One of the murders was 'the A-6 murder,' well known in England but not in the rest of the world, and that killing was discussed there.

For decades, (since the 1960's) supporters of James Hanratty, (the man convicted,) ran a solid campaign to get him a posthumous pardon. It was led by his brother. They pleaded for D.N.A. testing of the clothing involved. It was tested and Hanratty's DNA was found on it. Many supporters fell away, but the leading supporters poo-poohed the findings and inferred that the police must have planted it!

Moral of the tale? You will, never, ever, convince people of someone's guilt or innocence if they just simply don't want to believe it!

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:17 am

twinsrwe wrote:All I meant was that I would be disappointed to find out who the real killer was, whether it was Lizzie or someone else. IMO, I don't believe this forum would continue to be active for every long after the identity of the real killer were proven beyond reasonable doubt.

If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that the real killer was Lizzie, then the case would be close. If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that the real killer were someone else, then this forum would become worthless information about an innocent woman and it would cease it exist, because the case would be closed.

What would be the point of any further discussions?

What do you think would be left to discuss?

There might be a various possibilities:

1. A crucial proof excludes definitely, beyond any reasonable doubt, the name of Lizzie from the list of suspects --- I sincerely hope that this could occur one day or another ---, but meanwhile it doesn't tell us who was the real guilty(s). If so, speculations would continue.

2. A crucial proof proves, beyond any reasonable doubt, Lizzie's guilt, but meanwhile it doesn't give us answers to so many other questions about the case, for example: did Lizzie really use a hatchet?, If so, speculations would continue.

3. A crucial proof proves, beyond any reasonable doubt, the guilt of someone else, but meanwhile, it might not give us answers to so many other questions, for example...oh dare I mention the name of Morse? ... If so, what would his motive be? Speculations would continue.

4. Even if one day we had answers for every question concerning the case, the major one certainly included: who was the killer... Maybe this forum ceases to exsist after having been agonizing a certain time... Eh, que sera sera... I don't believe that any memeber of the forum would think the exsistence of this forum more important than the justice that Andrew and Abby are still waiting for... And, in the end, all is vanity, nothing else but vanity.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:17 am

I agree with you,Franz. Having been a true-crime enthusiast all my adult life, I have found that famous crimes often have their own momentum. I think this is especially true of 19th century crime which holds a kind of rosy gas-lit quaintness to us in this century. And of course, if Lizzie had been convicted, not everything would have been brought into the open by her trial. The Borden murders would still be regarded as classics of crime and Lizzie's relationship with her sister and parents, the weapon used, the time between Andrew's murder and her calling Bridget, etc.would all be still up for debate.

PossumPie · Post by **PossumPie** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:42 am

I don't think ANY proof that would "satisfy everyone" could ever come out. Look at other events (9/11, JFK, Man landing on the moon) People disregard mountains of evidence, build their own conspiracy, and cherry-pick "facts" and statements to support their pet theory. I have seen truly bizarre ideas that have sucked people in b/c someone made it sound plausible. No worries that anything could come out that would prove once and for all...There will always be someone who could twist it to be a conspiracy!

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