GHOST ADVENTURES AT 92

[mbhenty]

YES.......


Did anyone watch GHOST ADVENTURES tonight? That would be Zac, Arron and Nick. They were at the Second Street house tonight.

Of course they had some mis-information fed to them. Or did they?

Some character named Belanger gave the boys the information that there were actually two murder events at 92 Second Street. If you remember the Ladwick Borden murders where Mrs L. Borden threw her three kids down a cistern or well then slit her own throat.

Well, Belanger said that the murders happened on Lizzie's property. Was he wrong? Probably. Mrs Borden killed 2 of her kids around 1848, the year the Kelly house was built. The Trafton house, 92, was built in 1845. At first I thought that both borden properties were one property at one time. But I don't believe that's true. To make matters worst, the host of the show announced that the children's murders happened right inside 92.

Did Mrs Ladwick Borden throw her kids down the Trafton house cistern? Or was Belanger just a know-it-all?

What say you.

Or, how did you like the show?

[mbhenty]

Ahh, yes, I see.

You haven't seen Ghost Adventures at the Borden House, you say.......

Well, here it is.

Lee-Ann's appearance is quite entertaining.

Click on the site below for the full episode.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj4k0WR-giM

[augusta]

MB, that's very interesting about this theory of Mrs. Ladwick Borden. I would think that if the murders/suicide had happened inside the 92 Second street house that it would have come out in the news when the Andrew/Abby murders occurred. Just my thought.

[SallyG]

I watched it last night...very interesting. Apparently the incest theory is still alive and well, per the seance. I'd love to get a psychiatrist's take on the case...has that ever been done?

[augusta]

I saw it too last night on the Travel Channel. It was real good. Their EVPs were so scary. I liked this show much more than when TAPS did a show on the B & B. Those guys used a bunch of plug-in devices, which I had read interfere with getting thru to the other side. And it was like TAPS didn't even hardly give it a chance. I thought it was ridiculous when they summarized to Lee Ann that they found nothing. But the guys on the show last night (sorry, I can't remember what they called themselves) got a lot of activity. My husband said they probably faked it. He is an engineer. 'Nuf said there. There was a lot of activity, but if they did fake any of it I don't think they needed to. There have been too many witnesses of stuff happening there, starting with Martha McGinn and probably further back.

[augusta]

SallyG, there is a lot out there about the Lizzie/incest theory. I never read that subject because I think there is never going to be any way anyone can ever prove it.

If you have The Proceedings book, there are three papers published in there: "Lizzie, Violator or Victim" by M. Judge Grenter, page 13; "Was Lizzie Borden the Victim of Incest?" by M. Eileen McNamara, M.D. and "Lizzie Borden, Anxious Attachment and Forty Whacks: A Systemic Exploration of Incest and Parricide" by Stephen W. Kane, Ph.D.

I don't know if any of the authors were psychologists or not.

I suppose a google search with something like "Lizzie Borden" incest may turn up more stuff.

One problem I have with the theory is that writers or analysts generally go back and examine the kind of life the Borden family lived in 92 Second street. Many of the things they did were normal for Victorian times. It coulda been, tho. Hope you find some interesting things and maybe post them to us.

It was normal in those times for unmarried daughters to live with their families until marriage. Alice Russell lived with her mother. It would have been accepted, tho, if Andrew had gotten Lizzie and Emma a house of their own and they lived together. The show last nite, tho, showed someone comng thru with a lot of anger when that subject was brought up.

[SallyG]

Years ago I read an article in American Heritage (?) about the incest theory, and it WAS very interesting. Didn't find much of anything in a Google search, though.

I did enjoy the show last night, but the use of the "ghost box" is questionable..at least to me. One of my sons read somewhere that a lot of that kind of equipment is actually just picking up random electronic transmissions. Although what they were picking up did seem right on the mark!

[Aamartin]

I finally saw this on tvduck.com....

I have watched the Ghost Adventures program before and stopped watching it for a couple of reasons. Mainly, I don't care much for Zak's demeanor. This whole antagonistic approach-- and his wild eyed looks at the camera with his mouth hanging open. I don't find him appealing at all...

Likewise-- the whole 'lock down' theory is a little too 'PR' for my tastes...

Anyway....

How does LeAnn know for sure Abby was facing her killer? Has that been proven or even generally accepted by theorists? (She sure likes publicity....)

Also-- I thought it was humorous-- how they stated that they would not make mentions of the accusations or reasons for the kill-- and then bleeped out words so that even a dullard would know what was being said....

I t end to think this fake show of concerns or compassion actually lowers their credibility -- they should have met it head on or not made mention of it at all.

The EVP's were interesting...

But I always chuckle at the unexplained noises they record and play back so eagerly... I live in an old house (1876) and if I turn everything off-- and sit in total silence in the middle of the night-- and even the dogs are all passed out on the couch-- I hear all sorts of odd noises that have nothing to do with wind at the windows, a fridge compressor turning on-- AC-- none of it. Just noises-- I think even new houses make them....

[augusta]

Hello, AA - Yes, I believe one of the doctors who testified at the trial said on the stand that he thought Abby was facing her killer at first.

I have to say that if Lee Ann likes publicity, it's a good thing. She has a business to keep in the public eye, and she is a smart lady. But I don't think she makes stuff up for publicity.

On one video made a while back, Martha McGinn told of the reaction of her dog in the house. (It could be "Lizzie Borden, Hash and Rehash" but I'm not sure. It may have been something I taped from the tv.) I talked to her when she used to own the B & B, and she told me several stories of things happening in the house that were in the paranormal category.

I liked these guys better than TAPS on investigating the Borden murder house, because I don't think TAPS put enough time into it - at least it didn't look like it.

But I have to agree with you - these guys kind of seemed to find too many things happening in the house. I saw a little of another show they did, and they acted the same way. The seance - unless they edited some parts out - gee, those women barely sat down and they were getting all these responses. And the way they were ushered out the door was kind of dramatic. The one guy on the show had his hand shaking, supposedly from something paranormal going on. That did look fake to me. And those guys saying they felt sick - both of them, but they stayed. I don't know if anything was causing that but themselves. They showed the hair sticking up on the one guy's arm, but that's pretty common.

I do believe there is something in the Borden house. I'll go back there again, but I won't spend the night there. I don't think it's a good idea to participate in actively inviting spirits to contact you. I don't think it's great fun or anything to experiment with, tho results can be fascinating. I've heard of cases where portals were opened and brought some bad stuff on people. I won't touch a Ouija board again. I don't think it's a game.

[Aamartin]

Certainly-- PR is a good thing for any business.. I just hope that a business isn't willing to say or agree to things just for the PR. This isn't the first time paranormal investigators have been in the house-- and it seemed to me like it was-- and the whole hatchet holding, etc-- really turned me off. The Lizzie Borden case is more than just a run of the mill 'haunting' -- it has been seriously studied, documented and written about for years and I hate to see it reduced to cutsey little hatchet earrings and refusal to let go of a hatchet shenanigans.
The whole children murder and neck slitting was, IMO odd... And while I suppose it was interesting to tie it in and propose the whole 'demonic posession' urging the Bordens to kill one another was entertaining-- for someone more familiar with the case, it was somewhat insuling. Again-- IMO.

And in the end-- I can freely admit that my judgement is clouded when I see spikey haired 30+ year old men acting like frat boys with video cameras and fist bumping everyone they see.

[augusta]

AA - Well, I think a sense of humor is needed in studying the Borden case. I don't believe Lee Ann would make stuff up for publicity. I think she has enough legitimate stuff to enthrall the public. I also just get the impression that she is not that way.

It would be awfully dull - and a total downer - without some humor. I think a person can be a very serious Bordenite, while having some fun with it at the same time. To me, it's like the saving grace of being heavily involved in the study of the case. I notice if I read too many true crime books in a row, I become very serious and not as happy as I usually am. I found that after I read one or two, I read some humorous book and I am not overly serious.

Of course I respect your opinion - there are probably others who share it. But I enjoyed Lee Ann's appearance in the show.

The guy who talked about the Mrs. Lampwick Borden incident (I don't think that's her first name - I'm in a hurry and can't think of it) seemed to come out of nowhere. He should have given some proof - his source for his story. I just came across something recently that said she didn't slit her own throat. As far as I know, there is precious little documenting of it. I looked into it at the FRHS several years ago, and at that time they were pretty much stumped too. But there's 'Parallel Lives' to read yet.

[MysteryReader]

I'm not a big fan of those Ghost Hunter type shows. I've always told my husband that it's probably a set up- you usually 2 people off camera and 2 on camera (plus the camera man). How does anyone know that the 2 off camera aren't feeding information, sounds, etc. to the 2 on camera? Plus there is nothing seen on screen (at least whenever I've watched it, which isn't often).