Maplecroft

affie4u · Post by **affie4u** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:57 pm

Is the other home that Lizzie & Emma moved into called maplecroft (?)
still around? I don't know much about the area . Is the house still there?

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:42 pm

Yes, it is still there at #3 French Street. Unlike 92 Second Street it is not open to the public.

Not only is it still there, it is for sale, and if you have about $700,000 lying around you can snap it up.

Seriously there are many posts on this forum about Maplecroft. Here is just one thread with many photos of the house:

viewtopic.php?t=2275&highlight=maplecroft

If you use the search feature on the forum you can find many more.

affie4u · Post by **affie4u** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:50 pm

Thank you.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:34 pm

The owner of maplecroft, Mr.Dube had it open for tours and a B+B
for awhile back in the early to mid 90's until he decided he wanted his privacy. he has not kept up exterior too well. Looks like it's rotting away
a bit. Also it's in close proximity of Oak Grove

affie4u · Post by **affie4u** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:35 pm

That is interesting that it used to be a B&B with tours. I wounder how long it will be on the market for before it is sold.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:30 pm

I have heard he is also considering giving it to his daughter

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:10 pm

Maplecroft is back on the market. This time the price has gone up.

Check out MONDO

http://lizzieandrewborden.com/MondoLizzie/

Wacko is as Wacko does.

If the man was really serious in selling, he would place a serious selling price to the place. You can have a much better house in a better neighborhood in fall river, and pocket almost a half a million dollars to boot. (440,000 anyway) The nerve? How about fixing it up a little.

Is owing Lizzie Borden's old house on French Street, needing at least another 40 to 60 grand to bring the property back to pristine condition, really worth it? Is the name "MAPLECORFT" or the gratification of being able to say "I own Lizzie Borden's house" worth over 400,000 grand above the asking price?

NO

NO

and

NO

Here is your chance to see the inside of Maplecroft. Just Call the number on the sign which sits on the lawn, 508-673-8088 and make an appointment. At least that is the number and instructions written on the for sale sign. (How he distinguishes between serious buyers and the browsing public is beyond me.)

Now, there are a number of big houses on the market in fall river which are just as nice and nicer.

Below is an example of one for sale. The asking price is 415,000 dollars. It sits in a much better, quieter neighborhood which is strictly guarded by all its residents in making sure no business move in. Also much more family friendly. Buy it and save 460,000 dollars. Just as nice as Maplecroft if not better.

The nerve of the man supporting a move to change the residential neighborhood of Maplecorft to business district, then asking over 880,000 for the place. It's like shooting yourself in the foot while your sucking your toe.

I DON'T THINK SO........

In my opinion the house below, which is bigger than Maplecroft, is a much better buy. Asking price is 415,000. And you can still drive 9 or 10 blocks down the road and visit the decaying Maplecroft anytime you like.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:46 pm

Here is another wonderful home. This house is amazing inside. Leaded glass all over the place. Wood work just as nice or better than Maplecroft. When built it was a better house than Maplecorft, and in most respects it still is.

This house is a much better house than the one above, older and more Victorian. It is known as the ANDREW BORDEN house, better known as the MOORINGS. It belong to one of the other Andrew Bordens and sits only 2 blocks from Maplecroft and 4 blocks up from the Fall River Historical Society on Rock Street.

Wonderful, wonderful home. When you consider what the owner of Maplecroft want for his place......a steal. Buy it instead and pocket a whopping 450 thousand dollars.

Check out that interior. Maplecroft.....move out of the way.

augusta · Post by **augusta** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:49 am

I agree, mb. Maplecroft has been run down for years and is just getting worse. I can't understand owning a National Treasure and letting it go - and not opening it up to the public.

The owner did not pay anything near that to purchase the house. If he worked on it and got it back to how Lizzie had it when she lived there, it would be a gem. But still, I think $880,000 is much too high a price, especially when many homes that were built for big bucks have gone way down in value, as has mine.

That's just his asking price, tho. And before he was asking something like $750,000. Has the house been improved upon since?

I love the photos you posted. So beautiful.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:47 am

Hmmmm, someone could buy one of these houses, open it up as a B and B museum.

It could be called MAPLECROFT ALTERNATIVE !

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:35 pm

Yes Augusta: The only thing he has done is replace the roof shingles. That, because he probably had no choice. Before it was replaced I witnessed men up on the roof months before patching.

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Yes, the man is just a bag of greed. When he bought the place he paid between 45 and 60,000. He owns other income property. Now he has an army of renters living at Maplecorft.

Below is another fine home that was for sale a couple of weeks ago. I think it has since sold. There are two photos. One is of the same building with new white cedar shingles.

Now, here is a house that did not need it, but they went and re-shingled it anyway. The asking price was 475.000. The interior is enormous. Again, amazing wood working inside. The foyer or reception room is the absolute model of Victorian elegance. Twice as beautiful as Maplecroft inside. (when for sale they had posted pictures. I think they are on the forum somewhere)

It belong to William H Beattie. Mr Beattie worked at Beattie Quarry. (bookkeeper) I think he may have been the son of the owner, William Beattie.

patsy · Post by **patsy** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:02 pm

Looking at these beautiful interiors and just loving them. Thanks, for sharing mbhenty.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:49 am

You are welcome Patsy.

In my many years of employment I was fortunate enough to see many of these interiors close up, and wander their rooms. I remember walking in the front door, having the large oak door close behind me, and being surrounded by a different world.....a Victorian world. Some which were decorated in Victorian furnishings placed you back in the 1800s.

As for Maplecorft. If you did not know what it looked like and I took you around Lizzie Borden's neighborhood, and picked out 10 Victorian homes, including Maplecorft, and asked you to pick out Lizzie's abode, chances are Maplecorft would be one of the last.

Compared to some other residences on the hill, it is nothing special.

Still there's a constant flow of visitors.

While working on my front porch this week I witnessed several people get out of their car to take a photo. Some posed in front of the building. Also, since I'm a nosey basta--, ever time I car would drive by I would look and observe it slowing down and its driver gawking at Maplecroft.

The photo below was taken TODAY. We Received our first snowfall. Just a dusting but very symbolic of things to come.

patsy · Post by **patsy** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:15 am

I would love to have been able to walk through those old oak doors and find myself in an atmosphere of the old victorian times. Yes you were very fortunate, Mbhenty. It's so great to see the fabulous pictures you have posted.

Did I hear that awful 4-letter word S N O W? I dread it and it's almost here too. We did have some sleet the other night and several mornings with frost. Ugh. Give me 90° in the shade anytime.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:58 pm

Boy, is it blowing out there. There must be gusts of 40 to 45......though it is not coming down right now, as you can see in the first photo. I would guess there is 5 to 8 inches down. Hard to tell due to the drifting and blowing snow.

Below are some shots of French Street taken out the window.

The last photo of the red house is the old John Brayton Jr. home, across the street from Maplecroft. He was the guy with the cawing bird that disturbed Lizzie.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:12 am

The backyard this morning.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:15 am

Take away the modern things from these pictures, Mbhenty and you've got yourself an 1890's Lizzie Borden Christmas.

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:40 pm

Daggone it ! I am sitting here looking at the beautiful images of the other homes, and craving a house like those. I would love to sit outside Maplecroft in a magic "time machine" bus day and night with any of you who wish to join me, and watch the old house grow younger.

Can you imagine the look on "Lisbeth's" face when she sees our bus ? and our delight when we see her old car, or horse and buggy. Emma would probably drop her teacup ! The snow pictures are especially nice !

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:49 pm

Yes, on the topic of Lizzie's garage.

As I mentioned before, wonderful little building. Here's a nice shot of it.

This begs me to ask a question. One which I will research and attempt to find an answer.

Looking at the photo one can only imagine that the cobblestone went right up to the center garage door.

Now, the point I want to make is that is is very likely that the only garage doors was the one in the center. Chances are very good that there were windows where the "end" doors exist today.

Would be nice to find proof of that and even better to enjoy an early photo of the garage. If one exists anywhere it would be at the FRHS.

patsy · Post by **patsy** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:51 am

It would be interesting to see if she had a three-car garage. Hope there is a picture of the garage as it was when she owned Maplecroft somewhere in existence.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:51 pm

Yes, I have seen a picture which shows Maplecroft taken in 1920, and in it you can see the corner of the garage, enough to tell if there was a 3rd garage door. But it is an old newspaper quality photo and the portion with the garage in it is to dark to tell.

But, I know where the photo originated and will need to go there and view the actual photograph.

But here is circumstantial proof in the photo below.

Its hard to tell because the fence in in the way. But you can make out the top of a side door. Above it is a chimney. There probably was a room in this corner, living quarters. Even if they were not used for living quarters, the entrance denotes a room and so does the chimney. Inside there was a stove or fireplace.

If this is true, then there would NOT be a garage door where you see it in the photo when the garage was built, and a window was probably there.

No, Yes? Anyone have photos? Is it possible anyone on the forum could have been driving by in the 1920s and taken a photo?

Nah! probably not.

kssunflower · Post by **kssunflower** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:26 pm

Does anyone know how many cars Lizzie owned? Was it two?

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:29 pm

Great pictures. I wonder where her driver lived ? When I use the enlarge photo feature, feel like I'm standing right there.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:42 am

Yes Stargazer

Don't remember reading if anyone actually lived in the garage. The answer to this may be coming out in the FRHS's book PARALLEL LIVES.

But, I don't think the chimney was placed there to heat the garage since it is tucked to one corner. If it was heating for the garage it would have been placed in the center of the place. There must have been a room in that corner. By the size of the chimney it must have had a fireplace as apposed to a stove.

Was it supplied so the driver could stay over night? Doubt that there is toilet facilities in there. Was it for an escape for the mechanic during winter time, so he could break a chill?

Even though I live only feet away I have no idea.

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Yes kusunflower: Lizzie had two cars when she died. A 1923 Lincoln and a 1924 Buick. The Lincoln went to Charles Crook......I mean Charles Cook, and the other, the Buick, went to her driver, Ernest Terry.

They were very similar, as you can see in the photos below. At least to me. The lincoln looks more high end. The black car is a 1923 Lincoln. The greenish one a 1924 Buick. (though they look very similar the Lincoln, though a year older, was worth over twice as much as the Buick)

Can you picture Lizzie riding in the black Lincoln below?

kssunflower · Post by **kssunflower** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:10 pm

The Lincoln is gorgeous and very classy. Lizzie did indeed ride in style.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:07 am

Yes:

Maplecroft is back on the market...for sale, again.

Yes again.

This time, FOR REAL.

It is listed with a realtor this time. So the owner is really serious about selling. But, for 650,000 there should not be many takers.

Strangely, adds make no mention that it once belonged to Lizzie Borden, or is the name "Maplecorft" used.

Anyone want to be my neighbor?

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:46 pm

I would love to be your neighbor, MB. However, 650,000 is a bit steep!!!

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:30 pm

Yes:

Proof that this time it's for real.

http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x1364623 ... sale-again

THE HOUSE IS APPEARING ALL OVER NEW ENGLAND. BELOW IS THE TV CABLE SHOW NECN THE NEW ENGLAND CABLE NEWS NETWORK. Though they get the story straight, they use the wrong file footage, listing the wrong house.

http://www.necn.com/04/23/12/Lizzie-Bor ... eedID=4206

Also listed below is a story on the house from Channel 10 in Providence.

http://www2.turnto10.com/news/2012/apr/ ... r-1009982/

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:38 pm

Yes: Twinsrwe.....

Well, here is Maplecorft's competition. Maybe one of these others are kinder to your bank account.

This house sits just 2 houses away from Maplecroft, on Belmont street.

It's for sale, and just as nice a house and probably better. Asking price is 425,000, just about 225,000 less than Maplecorft, which is still terribly overpriced in its condition.

It overlooks Maplecroft's back yard.

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:46 pm

Yes: Here's another home just a block away from Maplecroft. I think they want 480,000 for it. It sits on the corner of French and High Street. This house use to sit on North Main Street across from Andrew Borden's old church. It was moved in the 1800s to its current location.

It's a huge house with a beautiful yard and sun porch.

Compare it to Maplecorft's 650,000

mbhenty · Post by **mbhenty** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:00 pm

Yes, let's take a look at the changing demographics of Lizzie's own neighborhood by looking at the map below......

The big house upper left on the corner of High and French is for sale. 480,00
The house way over to the right with the white roof on french Street is Maplecroft, for sale. 650,000
The house way at the bottom on Belmont (red, with two cars in the yard) is for sale. 329,000, the old Brayton House. A three family. Not worth it.
The house on Belmont street at the top of the picture, off to the left, is for sale. 425,000
The house on the corner of French and Belmont Street in the upper left hand corner of Belmont and French will be for sale. If I am not mistaken, it is going into foreclosure.

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