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Here's one of the theories, that Lizzie killed her father because she was sexually abused by him. If you look at the picture, Andrews eye was unrecognizeable. That might have been symbolic that he was looking at her in the "wrong" way or something. 
Or it could be that she hasn't spent a good chunk of her life researching this case, and doesn't know what theories have been discussed and haven't. Someone who doesn't know much about it, isn't apt to know what theories are new and which ones aren't. I think it's a little heavy handed to say things to someone without knowing how much they know or don't know about the case.Bob Gutowski @ Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:42 pm wrote:So, then, they were new to you. It's not fair of you to get our blood racing by making us think you've come up with theories those of us who have spent a good chunk of our lives on this case haven't seen yet.
Or, it could be blatant misrepresentation for attention. But I hope not.
Everybody has to start somewhere. No one starts out knowing all there is to know, and even those who have studied it for years still don't know all there is to know, because that's impossible.
This takes me back to the whole if Lizzie did it she would lie about anything to cover her butt theory.diana @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:44 pm wrote:I agree Lizzie staying in the house with her murdered father seems odd. But couldn't one also wonder why Mrs. Churchill was not afraid to come into the murder house – or to leave Lizzie alone while she ran to the stables to ask Thomas Boulds to get a doctor? And why she made no attempt to notify the police before she returned to the house to stay alone with Lizzie until Dr. Bowen and the others arrived? From that perspective, it does seem as though neither woman thought there was any danger of the murderer still being in the vicinity.
And I know I’m nit picking here – but we really only have other people’s word for it that Lizzie said she thought she heard Abby come in. Both Mrs. Churchill and Bridget testified she did say that – but Lizzie denied it at the inquest.
As Allen pointed out in an earlier post, it’s quite possible that Mrs. C. and Bridget testified to this because Lizzie did say it. But, I’m being an annoying stickler here and reminding us we can only say ‘people testified Lizzie said she heard her stepmother come in’ – not ‘Lizzie said she heard her stepmother come in’.
“Q. Did you tell Maggie you thought your mother had come in?
A. No sir.
Q. That you thought you heard her come in?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you say to anybody that you thought she was killed upstairs?
A. No sir.
Q. To anybody?
A. No sir. . . .
. . . Q. I want you to give me all that you did, by way of word or deed, to see whether your mother was dead or not, when you found your father was dead.
A. I did not do anything, except what I said to Mrs. Churchill. I said to her: "I don't know where Mrs. Borden is. I think she is out, but I wish you would look." (Inquest, L. Borden)
Why would it be advantageous? Because she didn't want to be the one to find the second body. There were plenty of people there and granted sooner or later someone was going to wonder where Abby was and go and look for her anyway. Bridget had already said she wished she knew where Mrs. Whitehead lived so she might go and look for Abby. They were sending a telegram to tell Emma about it, how would she pull off not wanting to find Abby to tell her that her husband was dead "until later"? But Lizzie didn't want to wait until later, because she wanted to be able to get up to her room and out of the spotlight.john @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:49 pm wrote:Why would it be advantageous for Mrs. Borden to be found at the time she was, instead of laterly (sorry Bob) like she surely would have been?
I won't answer my own question.
And why would Lizzie deny sending anyone to look for Mrs. Borden?
I won't answer my own question.
Yes, it is another *she said/she said*, its in Bridget's Preliminary Testimony:--I can't seem to find in Lizzie's inquest or Witness Statement that she "heard" a "moan", "groan", "noise" or "sound."
Is this another one of those *she said/she said*?
Some newspaper said Lizzie heard a groan and went inside and found Abby!
Bob Gutowski
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Very cuteley, John! ;}
