"IT IS HERE" . . . .

william · Post by **william** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:06 am

"--THAT DREADED DAY OF DOOM IN AUGUST, WHEN SHE DEVISED THE DEMONIC DEED THAT DID THEM IN." (or did she??)

Bob Gutowski · Post by **Bob Gutowski** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:23 am

And a memorable Fatal Fourth to all! I'll have something interesting to share tomorrow...

kssunflower · Post by **kssunflower** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:31 am

Here in the broiling midwest, where I think it's already 95 degrees out, that steamy Aug. morning of long ago is on my mind. This is in remembrance to Andrew and Abby and any others affected by the events of the day.

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:00 pm

Sad greetings on this fatal 4th to all. Remembering Andrew and Abby Borden...may they rest in peace. It was indeed a fatal 4th. I lost my job today because of a policy change dealing with something on my record from over 5 yrs ago. I was honest about it on my application when they hired me a yr ago but because of the policy change I was called in to H.R. @10am and terminated.

kssunflower · Post by **kssunflower** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:09 pm

Wow SteveS, sorry to hear that you're another casualty of a brutal fourth.

Best of luck to you.

Wordweaver · Post by **Wordweaver** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:16 pm

Keeping the poor victims in my thoughts on this solemn anniversary.

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:08 am

Thank you kssunflower. I appreciate that. I'll start pulling myself up by the bootstraps after the shock wears off.

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:44 am

Wow, sorry to hear that, SteveS. Not a good day indeed.

My experience is that it usually works out better for the person in the long run. May take a bit of time and worry but things have a way of working out.

Good luck in finding something soon.

SallyG · Post by **SallyG** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:51 am

SteveS. @ Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:00 pm wrote:Sad greetings on this fatal 4th to all. Remembering Andrew and Abby Borden...may they rest in peace. It was indeed a fatal 4th. I lost my job today because of a policy change dealing with something on my record from over 5 yrs ago. I was honest about it on my application when they hired me a yr ago but because of the policy change I was called in to H.R. @10am and terminated.

I've definitely been there and done THAT....hang in there..it's not the end of the world!! Definitely file for unemployment immediately...you were let go through no fault of your own and should have no problem collecting!

Good luck....it will all work out for the best!

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:07 pm

Sorry to hear what happened SteveS. Isn't there some kind of legal thing you can do about the way they terminated you? I mean if you told them about wouldn't it be wrongful termination? They knew about the situation when they hired you.

Well hope you find something.

Smudgeman · Post by **Smudgeman** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:21 pm

Sorry Steve, but everything will work out, trust me, been there before. The company I worked for for 8 years went out of business last August during the start of the Mortgage crisis. They told us all to go home, no severance package, nothing. I filed for unemployment and got that for a month, then I found another job making more money and closer to home. Sometimes good things come out of a bad situation.

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:12 pm

Thank you for caring smudgeman. I am glad your situation worked out for you. I am going to have trouble even finding the most basic of employment because of the reason that caused me to be dismissed in the 1st place. I am, like you, hoping this will all be for the best in the long run but in the mean time with no money comming in and bills and living expenses one does tend to worry and question ones self worth.

Nadzieja · Post by **Nadzieja** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:59 pm

So sorry to hear about this Steve S. It seems so wierd that a policy change would do that, you would think you would be grandfathered in seeing you've worked there this long a time. Wish you the best, I truly know it is not easy at all, but we're friends here on the forum and we're all rooting for you.

Grace · Post by **Grace** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:06 pm

Best of luck to you Steve. Unemployment will most definitely rule in your favor. No doubt, the job you're looking for will come along in time.

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:50 pm

Thank you Lorraine and Grace. It is a very difficult time for me right now but with the grace of God and all my forum friends supporting me, I know I will come out of this ok. It's amazing how we define ourselves by what we do for a living and how much of our self worth we put in that.
Maybe thats a little how Lizzie felt in her life at that point on the fatefull day. No self worth under the circumstances and had her back against the wall.

Nadzieja · Post by **Nadzieja** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:15 pm

Steve S., You will make it through this. I came to the point that I believe you work to have money to live. However it doesn't have to run your life. One ot the best quotes that I have ever heard was said by Eleanore Roosevelt: "The only one who can make you feel inferior is yourself". Come on now--New Englanders are tough, you can do it!!

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:17 am

Steve S, I too am sorry to hear about what happened to you. I agree with the others, something even better might come along. Keep your faith up.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:04 am

Well that was pretty crummy, SteveS! Sounds like time for a visit *home.*

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:05 pm

Wow Lorraine, I can't believe you mentioned that quote from Eleanor Roosevelt. I was just repeating that quote to myself. I am trying to live by it. Yes, I am trying to kick in my New England Yankee stubborn pride in full gear to get through this but it is pretty scary at the moment. Thank you Debbie and Kat also. Yes Kat.....if there ever was a time I need a visit home it is now....would be better for my soul then chicken soup for a cold

but unfortunately I am not even sure where the food money is going to come from never mind a trip home but definitely if there ever was a time I needed it...it would be now.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:37 am

Is there anything keeping you in Texas? I'm really sorry this is happening to you!

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:08 pm

Yes Kat I live with and am romanticaly involved with someone here in Texas plus my financial situation just doesn't allow for it.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:48 am

Okay Dokay. Thanks for being candid. I was getting worried.

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:00 am

Thank you Kat and everyone else for your concern about me during this trying time. I am hoping that I hear from a prospective employer in the comming week. I am saying a prayer and keeping my fingers crossed.

Nadzieja · Post by **Nadzieja** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:50 pm

Don't forget to cross your toes too!!!

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:35 pm

LOL I have my fingers, toes and eyes crossed.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:15 am

william @ Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am wrote:"--THAT DREADED DAY OF DOOM IN AUGUST, WHEN SHE DEVISED THE DEMONIC DEED THAT DID THEM IN." (or did she??)

Hello William!

This past day, August 11, Lizzie Borden was arrested! She is spending a fitful night in the Matron's room at the jail on Granite Street. Today she will be arraigned for "probable cause", plead "Not Guilty" and be shipped off to Taunton jail.
It's not over yet...

Ad · Post by Ad » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:42 pm

Today; Austust 12th, Lizzie enters a plea of *not guilty* and is moved to Taunton jail to await the preliminary hearings on the 22nd and the 23rd of August

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:32 pm

I have always wondered what was going thru her head when was being arrested and arraigned. Was she sedaded or something?

kssunflower · Post by **kssunflower** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:09 pm

That question by snokks makes me wonder also if during her stay at Taunton jail, was Dr. Bowen or any another doctor perhaps in a closer location allowed to visit and give her morphine, etc?

Nadzieja · Post by **Nadzieja** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:40 am

I think that she might have taken something to take the edge off, but she had to be very careful with taking too much because I'm sure she was very careful with what she said to anybody. If she became too out of it, she might reveal something that would would do her harm.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:07 am

That's a good point about *sedating* Lizzie. I don't know as she had it so bad there in Taunton- but then I can't really say from my desk in 2008.

But she was family friends with Mrs. Wright I believe and was treated well.

Emma returned alone to Second Street, except for Morse and the new housekeeper, Mrs. Barker. The girls now finally being separated through their travails- I believe this is when Emma began to lose her influence over Lizzie and that Lizzie finally started to change. She would no longer be Emma Borden's sister, or Andrew Borden's daughter, but just *Lizzie Borden*.

Nadzieja · Post by **Nadzieja** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:56 pm

Is there any information about the new housekeeper Mrs. Barker?

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:08 am

Her name came from a newspaper story. Maybe someone else knows?

Reasonwhy · Post by **Reasonwhy** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:32 pm

Kat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:07 am That's a good point about *sedating* Lizzie. I don't know as she had it so bad there in Taunton- but then I can't really say from my desk in 2008.

But she was family friends with Mrs. Wright I believe and was treated well.

Emma returned alone to Second Street, except for Morse and the new housekeeper, Mrs. Barker. The girls now finally being separated through their travails- I believe this is when Emma began to lose her influence over Lizzie and that Lizzie finally started to change. She would no longer be Emma Borden's sister, or Andrew Borden's daughter, but just *Lizzie Borden*.

Kat, here is the post (Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:07 am) where you identify Mrs. Barker as the new housekeeper. And that her name came from a newspaper story (a couple of posts up, in that same thread). Still looking for the Taunton jail reference re Bridget…

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:26 pm

SteveS. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:00 pm Sad greetings on this fatal 4th to all. Remembering Andrew and Abby Borden...may they rest in peace. It was indeed a fatal 4th. I lost my job today because of a policy change dealing with something on my record from over 5 yrs ago. I was honest about it on my application when they hired me a yr ago but because of the policy change I was called in to H.R. @10am and terminated.

I am so sorry to hear about you losing your job.
Hopefully you will find one that is much better.
Debbie

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:28 pm

Rest in Peace Mr. and Mrs. Borden.

The fatal fourth, it sure did come around quick this year. The older I get, the quicker I am changing the calendar over to a different month. Has time actually accelerated, or is it just me?

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:30 pm

Hi, Debbie!
Yes, exactly what I’ve been thinking and experiencing! And the picture in my mind of changing the calendar page…absolutely

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:37 pm

Thanks reasonwhy, it’s the allusion to Bridget working at Taunton jail that I’m interested in because if I said that I was wrong, and would like to know, because it was the jail at New Bedford, awaiting Trial.

camgarsky4 · Post by **camgarsky4** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:18 pm

Just glanced thru a few articles and Bridget resided with the Hunts at the New Bedford jail house (Hunt living quarters). There is an article in the Dec 4, '92 Boston Globe where they note the irony that Lizzie will once again be living in the same "household" as Bridget during the Grand Jury hearings.

As you note Kat, Taunton is where Lizzie was held for the majority of time between the Preliminary Hearing and the Trial.

Reasonwhy · Post by **Reasonwhy** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:33 pm

Kat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:37 pm Thanks reasonwhy, it’s the allusion to Bridget working at Taunton jail that I’m interested in because if I said that I was wrong, and would like to know, because it was the jail at New Bedford, awaiting Trial.

Kat, I can’t find it now, so I apologize for my post

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:05 pm

That’s OK, in the publishing world it’s merely called a typo.

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