Take an ax to Tom Turkey - have a very Borden Thanksgiving!
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Bob Gutowski
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Take an ax to Tom Turkey - have a very Borden Thanksgiving!
Best wishes to all of you Bordenians for a warm and blessed Thanksgiving Day!
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Audrey
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so charming....
What does everyone do for Thanksgiving?
Years ago, some of my in-laws stated that we should always have Thanksgiving with them as "my people" do not have Thanksgiving... This got my dander up...
I announced the next year that from then on my immediate family would have our own Thanksgiving every year and not participate in the huge family debacle. We have had a "just us" Thanksgiving ever since. We love it.
I make a traditional Thanksgiving meal which we eat at about 3pm. Afterwards we sit about complaining that we ate too much!
We all have so much to be thankful for....
God Bless you all...
What does everyone do for Thanksgiving?
Years ago, some of my in-laws stated that we should always have Thanksgiving with them as "my people" do not have Thanksgiving... This got my dander up...
I announced the next year that from then on my immediate family would have our own Thanksgiving every year and not participate in the huge family debacle. We have had a "just us" Thanksgiving ever since. We love it.
I make a traditional Thanksgiving meal which we eat at about 3pm. Afterwards we sit about complaining that we ate too much!
We all have so much to be thankful for....
God Bless you all...
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diana
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Even though Canadians like Tina-Kate and I had our turkey in the middle of October, I think I'll still help myself to some of those good wishes.
And I have a culinary question. I'm a bit of an addict where pie is concerned and wanted to ask if anyone back East has 'Marlborough pie' as their Thanksgiving dessert? I was reading somewhere that it used to be the pie in New England at Thanksgiving until it was supplanted by pumpkin, sweet potato, etc. I've found a number of recipes for it -- some using sherry -- some not. It seems to be an apple custard concoction. I just wondered if anyone made it? liked it? -- or even heard of it!
Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!
And I have a culinary question. I'm a bit of an addict where pie is concerned and wanted to ask if anyone back East has 'Marlborough pie' as their Thanksgiving dessert? I was reading somewhere that it used to be the pie in New England at Thanksgiving until it was supplanted by pumpkin, sweet potato, etc. I've found a number of recipes for it -- some using sherry -- some not. It seems to be an apple custard concoction. I just wondered if anyone made it? liked it? -- or even heard of it!
Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!
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FairhavenGuy
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I've never heard of Marlborough pie, and we have the last surviving male passenger of the Mayflower--John Cooke-- living in what's now Fairhaven from 1662 until his death in 1695. We're only about a half-hour drive from Plymouth.
My parents split up some time back (I became a child of a broken home at the age of about 34), so that more or less put an end to that Thanksgiving gathering. After a few years of Healthy Choice frozen turkey dinners alone, I met Lori. Now our Thanksgiving dinners are at her parents' house about mid-day and we stop by my mother's later in the afternoon for a visit. (We visit my dad in Tiverton later in the holiday season.)
By the way, Fairhaven High School's arch-rival at the annual Thanksgiving Day football game is Dartmouth High School.
I think Doug's dad taught at Dartmouth High for a while and was the football coach, too.
I'm not sure who is expected to win tomorrow.
My parents split up some time back (I became a child of a broken home at the age of about 34), so that more or less put an end to that Thanksgiving gathering. After a few years of Healthy Choice frozen turkey dinners alone, I met Lori. Now our Thanksgiving dinners are at her parents' house about mid-day and we stop by my mother's later in the afternoon for a visit. (We visit my dad in Tiverton later in the holiday season.)
By the way, Fairhaven High School's arch-rival at the annual Thanksgiving Day football game is Dartmouth High School.
I think Doug's dad taught at Dartmouth High for a while and was the football coach, too.
I'm not sure who is expected to win tomorrow.
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Nancie
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Happy Thanksgiving to all!
My sister's family and I are taking all the fixins to my folks nursing home, they have family rooms with kitchens and dining areas, very nice. My neice
Jill and I are doing the decorations and table, she is
my little Martha Stewart buddy, we have been sewing and decorating and doing crafts together since she was a kid. We know Gramma will appreciate our efforts, as Gramma eats like a bird but she will love our flowers and nice table. (If anyone gets "Prevention Magazine" Jill is on Page 133 lovely pix and article!) My sister is doing all the
grunt work of cooking the food. I've heard of Marbborough Pudding but never tried it. Happy
Thanksgiving!
My sister's family and I are taking all the fixins to my folks nursing home, they have family rooms with kitchens and dining areas, very nice. My neice
Jill and I are doing the decorations and table, she is
my little Martha Stewart buddy, we have been sewing and decorating and doing crafts together since she was a kid. We know Gramma will appreciate our efforts, as Gramma eats like a bird but she will love our flowers and nice table. (If anyone gets "Prevention Magazine" Jill is on Page 133 lovely pix and article!) My sister is doing all the
grunt work of cooking the food. I've heard of Marbborough Pudding but never tried it. Happy
Thanksgiving!
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Audrey
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Marlborough Pudding Pie Continues to Delight at Thanksgiving
In the bounty of pies served at early American Thanksgivings,Marlborough Pie was a special treat... "In the historical evidence and reminiscences of Thanksgiving, Marlborough Pie seems to be a very popular holiday food. It was a recipe you would use for company. Custards were very common, but this seems to be remembered as a very rich pudding, a special recipe," according to Mary Ann Welsch, program supervisor for foodways at Old Sturbridge Village. Old Sturbridge Village offers this holiday recipe for Marlborough Pudding Pie. Welsch said other variations include wine and nutmeg.
Marlborough Pudding
Pudding:
Juice and peel of 1 lemon (omit if using applesauce)
2 large fresh apples or 1 cup applesauce
1 cup sugar (use only 1/3 cup if applesauce is used)
3 eggs
1/2 cup butter
1/2 recipe for Puff Pastry (below) for bottom shell, or favorite one-crust pastry recipe
If fresh apples are used, follow Step 1. - If using applesauce begin with Step 2]
1. Squeeze lemon and grate peel into large bowl. Grate apples and lemon juice and toss to coat apples to prevent darkening.
2.Pour sugar over fruit and mix well.
3. Prepare Puff Pastry. Line deep, 8-inch pie plate with pastry.
4 .Beat eggs until light.
5. Cream butter until soft and add eggs, blending well.
6. Stir butter and egg mixture into sweetened fruit and spoon into pie plate.
7. Bake 15 minutes at 400 degrees. Reduce heat to 350 degrees and bake 45 minutes more or until knife inserted into center comes out clean. Cool before serving.
Puff Pastry:
2 cups butter
3 1/2 cups whole-wheat flour, measured after sifting
1/2 cup cold water
1. Blend 2/3 cup butter and 2 cups of flour.
2. Add 1/2 cup cold water, stirring gradually.
3. Roll out on a floured board. Dot with half the remaining butter,sprinkle with 3/4 cup of remaining flour, dusting some on rolling pin, and roll up like a jelly roll.
4. Roll this out and repeat to use up the flour and butter.
from: http://www.pentimento.com/art3.htm
In the bounty of pies served at early American Thanksgivings,Marlborough Pie was a special treat... "In the historical evidence and reminiscences of Thanksgiving, Marlborough Pie seems to be a very popular holiday food. It was a recipe you would use for company. Custards were very common, but this seems to be remembered as a very rich pudding, a special recipe," according to Mary Ann Welsch, program supervisor for foodways at Old Sturbridge Village. Old Sturbridge Village offers this holiday recipe for Marlborough Pudding Pie. Welsch said other variations include wine and nutmeg.
Marlborough Pudding
Pudding:
Juice and peel of 1 lemon (omit if using applesauce)
2 large fresh apples or 1 cup applesauce
1 cup sugar (use only 1/3 cup if applesauce is used)
3 eggs
1/2 cup butter
1/2 recipe for Puff Pastry (below) for bottom shell, or favorite one-crust pastry recipe
If fresh apples are used, follow Step 1. - If using applesauce begin with Step 2]
1. Squeeze lemon and grate peel into large bowl. Grate apples and lemon juice and toss to coat apples to prevent darkening.
2.Pour sugar over fruit and mix well.
3. Prepare Puff Pastry. Line deep, 8-inch pie plate with pastry.
4 .Beat eggs until light.
5. Cream butter until soft and add eggs, blending well.
6. Stir butter and egg mixture into sweetened fruit and spoon into pie plate.
7. Bake 15 minutes at 400 degrees. Reduce heat to 350 degrees and bake 45 minutes more or until knife inserted into center comes out clean. Cool before serving.
Puff Pastry:
2 cups butter
3 1/2 cups whole-wheat flour, measured after sifting
1/2 cup cold water
1. Blend 2/3 cup butter and 2 cups of flour.
2. Add 1/2 cup cold water, stirring gradually.
3. Roll out on a floured board. Dot with half the remaining butter,sprinkle with 3/4 cup of remaining flour, dusting some on rolling pin, and roll up like a jelly roll.
4. Roll this out and repeat to use up the flour and butter.
from: http://www.pentimento.com/art3.htm
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diana
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Thanks, Audrey! Somehow I knew your culinary curiosity would be piqued.
Writer, John Edge has a recent book on purely American food -- of course he talks about apple pie and says that: .....the most confounding and delightful is Marlborough pie [a single-crust variation filled with a lemon- and sherry-spiked custard of pureed apples and eggs]. Here's a pie originally made from wormed fruit; a pie that's earned its integrity and peculiar taste; a pie that is very much a regional dish of Massachusetts and New England; a pie that was once so popular that it was the Thanksgiving pie but that has fallen into ill favor.
I was surprised to find so many recipes on-line for a pie I hadn't even known existed!
Writer, John Edge has a recent book on purely American food -- of course he talks about apple pie and says that: .....the most confounding and delightful is Marlborough pie [a single-crust variation filled with a lemon- and sherry-spiked custard of pureed apples and eggs]. Here's a pie originally made from wormed fruit; a pie that's earned its integrity and peculiar taste; a pie that is very much a regional dish of Massachusetts and New England; a pie that was once so popular that it was the Thanksgiving pie but that has fallen into ill favor.
I was surprised to find so many recipes on-line for a pie I hadn't even known existed!
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Susan
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Happy Thanksgiving, gang! Usually I cook the turkey and stuffing and bring to whomevers house we are celebrating at. This year my fiance and I are going to visit friends in Arizona for Thanksgiving. Yah! I don't have to cook!!!
All this made me wonder what the Bordens did for Thanksgiving? Did they have people over for dinner? And how did Lizzie celebrate Thanksgiving whilst in Taunton's jailhouse?
All this made me wonder what the Bordens did for Thanksgiving? Did they have people over for dinner? And how did Lizzie celebrate Thanksgiving whilst in Taunton's jailhouse?
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Doug
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Best wishes to all for a wonderful and bountiful Thanksgiving!
Yes, my father taught and coached at Dartmouth High School, from around 1931-1942. The first place my folks lived after they were married was South Dartmouth. I came along after they moved to Connecticut.
I have spent all my 52 Thanksgivings in New England and this is the very first time I have heard of Marlborough pie or pudding. I will share the recipes Audrey posted with my wife, who has a much better handle on the practical aspects of food preparation than I do!
Yes, my father taught and coached at Dartmouth High School, from around 1931-1942. The first place my folks lived after they were married was South Dartmouth. I came along after they moved to Connecticut.
I have spent all my 52 Thanksgivings in New England and this is the very first time I have heard of Marlborough pie or pudding. I will share the recipes Audrey posted with my wife, who has a much better handle on the practical aspects of food preparation than I do!
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It's a good thing we have Audrey! I looked up the pie in my 1939 Yankee Cookbook and found no such animal, so it must have fallen out of favor before then. I had heard of it, but never had it. I think it was a British confection originally; maybe it was shunned for that reason. We do still find Syllabub, Indian Pudding, and Queen's pudding (a posh version of bread pudding) out here on some menus. The Marlborough sounds well worth a try!
--Lyddie
P.S. Loved Traci's crafty cartoon turkeys!
We keep ours simple: immediate family and standard fare from turkey to pumpkin pie. Like Audrey, I find it vastly preferable to sprawling get togethers that invariably bring a few clashers together. Happy Thanksgiving Weekend to all (and may you steer clear of the Mall)!
--Lyddie
P.S. Loved Traci's crafty cartoon turkeys!
We keep ours simple: immediate family and standard fare from turkey to pumpkin pie. Like Audrey, I find it vastly preferable to sprawling get togethers that invariably bring a few clashers together. Happy Thanksgiving Weekend to all (and may you steer clear of the Mall)!-
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It sounds like sweetened cooked applesuace with eggs to bind it? I don't know about that.
Wormed fruit sounds like the proper ingredient!
The point would be to use it up and not throw it away, like Andrew threw rotten fruit under the barn. He must not have heard of this concoction.
It's funny but I just noticed a reference to Thanksgiving today in the trial. It's pretty long, but it's interesting:
Q. I call your attention to a time when you saw a man there upon the steps talking with him. Do you recall a time when you saw a man upon the steps talking with him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When was it?
A. Well, it was some time before the murder.
Q. Was anything in the nature of a threat---
MR. KNOWLTON. I beg your pardon; wait. Won't you fix the time more perfectly.
Q. Can you tell any nearer than that, Mrs. Durfee?
A. Well, no, I cannot; it was before Thanksgiving, I know.
Q. Before the previous Thanksgiving?
A. Yes.
MR. KNOWLTON. If your Honors please, I desire to object to the evidence. We have been very careful not to expose the nature of any evidence and I do not suppose our friends want to either. I am aware of the nature of the evidence. I might ask counsel whether they expect to connect this in any way, any further than this circumstance would of itself
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connect it?
MR. ROBINSON. Not at present. We will not discuss that just now, at this time, I mean.
MR. KNOWLTON. Well, it might have to do with the admission of the evidence.
MASON, C. J. Perhaps counsel can fix the time a little more accurately.
Q. How near Thanksgiving would you say this was, Mrs. Durfee?
A. Well, I couldn't say; I couldn't say that.
Q. Well, do you locate it as about Thanksgiving time, is that what you mean?
A. Well, I lost my sister, and I know it happened after my sister died, and she died the 27th of October, I believe. The 27th of October she died. And what I heard I heard before then, because I went home and told it.
Q. How long before that?
A. Well, I couldn't say, because it didn't trouble me any, or I didn't---
Q. Well, is that the time that you fix it by?
A. Yes, I was going for medicine for her, and as I was coming home---
MR. KNOWLTON. I beg your pardon. And may I ask a question, your Honor, as to that subject?
Q. (By Mr. Knowlton.) Didn't you tell me that it was two months before your sister died, you thought?
A. No, I don't know as I did, because I couldn't.
Q. Well, don't you think it was about two months before your sister died?
A. Well, it couldn't be any more.
Q. Well, don't you think it was about that?
A. Well, my sister
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was taken to her bed the second time.
Q. And don't you think it was about two months?
A. Well, it wasn't any more.
Q. (By Mr. Jennings.) Well, do you think it was as much as two months?
A. Well, I shouldn't judge it was. I didn't put the day or the date down.
MASON, C. J. It seems to the Court too remote, and it is excluded.
MR. JENNINGS. I would like to put it in proper form, your Honor. I don't know that it is quite subject to exception, but I would like to save the right if it is. I have it stated here; I do not care to read it aloud.
The defence offered to prove that witness saw Mr. Borden standing in door talking with a man; heard angry words; heard the man say to Mr. Borden, "You have cheated me and I'll fix you for it."
This was objected to by counsel for the Government and was excluded by the Court, to which ruling the defendant excepted.
Wormed fruit sounds like the proper ingredient!
The point would be to use it up and not throw it away, like Andrew threw rotten fruit under the barn. He must not have heard of this concoction.
It's funny but I just noticed a reference to Thanksgiving today in the trial. It's pretty long, but it's interesting:
Q. I call your attention to a time when you saw a man there upon the steps talking with him. Do you recall a time when you saw a man upon the steps talking with him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When was it?
A. Well, it was some time before the murder.
Q. Was anything in the nature of a threat---
MR. KNOWLTON. I beg your pardon; wait. Won't you fix the time more perfectly.
Q. Can you tell any nearer than that, Mrs. Durfee?
A. Well, no, I cannot; it was before Thanksgiving, I know.
Q. Before the previous Thanksgiving?
A. Yes.
MR. KNOWLTON. If your Honors please, I desire to object to the evidence. We have been very careful not to expose the nature of any evidence and I do not suppose our friends want to either. I am aware of the nature of the evidence. I might ask counsel whether they expect to connect this in any way, any further than this circumstance would of itself
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connect it?
MR. ROBINSON. Not at present. We will not discuss that just now, at this time, I mean.
MR. KNOWLTON. Well, it might have to do with the admission of the evidence.
MASON, C. J. Perhaps counsel can fix the time a little more accurately.
Q. How near Thanksgiving would you say this was, Mrs. Durfee?
A. Well, I couldn't say; I couldn't say that.
Q. Well, do you locate it as about Thanksgiving time, is that what you mean?
A. Well, I lost my sister, and I know it happened after my sister died, and she died the 27th of October, I believe. The 27th of October she died. And what I heard I heard before then, because I went home and told it.
Q. How long before that?
A. Well, I couldn't say, because it didn't trouble me any, or I didn't---
Q. Well, is that the time that you fix it by?
A. Yes, I was going for medicine for her, and as I was coming home---
MR. KNOWLTON. I beg your pardon. And may I ask a question, your Honor, as to that subject?
Q. (By Mr. Knowlton.) Didn't you tell me that it was two months before your sister died, you thought?
A. No, I don't know as I did, because I couldn't.
Q. Well, don't you think it was about two months before your sister died?
A. Well, it couldn't be any more.
Q. Well, don't you think it was about that?
A. Well, my sister
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was taken to her bed the second time.
Q. And don't you think it was about two months?
A. Well, it wasn't any more.
Q. (By Mr. Jennings.) Well, do you think it was as much as two months?
A. Well, I shouldn't judge it was. I didn't put the day or the date down.
MASON, C. J. It seems to the Court too remote, and it is excluded.
MR. JENNINGS. I would like to put it in proper form, your Honor. I don't know that it is quite subject to exception, but I would like to save the right if it is. I have it stated here; I do not care to read it aloud.
The defence offered to prove that witness saw Mr. Borden standing in door talking with a man; heard angry words; heard the man say to Mr. Borden, "You have cheated me and I'll fix you for it."
This was objected to by counsel for the Government and was excluded by the Court, to which ruling the defendant excepted.
