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snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:17 pm

I was surfing the net and found this website: Thrial of Lizzie Borden: Selected Newspaper articles. The article I started reading was from the Herald: Lizzie borden Her later life-- a noble women, though retiring.

Here is the statement I like: "As a child she was of a very sensitive nature, inclined tobe non-communicate with new acquaintacs and this characteristic has tenaciously clung to her all throughn life and has been errouneously interpreted."

Translated into, for me anyway, took along time for her to warm up to people, and at the trial and in later life, it seemed she was cold to people.

What do you all thinK?

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:21 pm

I don't know how standoffish Lizzie was early in her life but after she went through the public trial, getting smeared in the press, leared at and having friends turn their backs on her, it's no wonder, in my mind, that Lizzie would have appeared cold toward others. A lot of people are shy or reserved and take awhile to warm to others but when someone goes through what Lizzie faced it doesn't surprise me when they develop a cold hard exterior. I've known people just like that.

The kindness Lizzie showed toward that boy and others indicates to me that Lizzie had a softer side that others didn't see or didn't want to see.

-1bigsteve (o:

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:50 pm

I think maybe she was probably more standoffish after the trial, but who knows?

She was a bit of a social butterfly, if I recall, when she was younger. You know, getting involved with the church and being a part of the temperance movement and the women's right to vote. I just think if she wasn't that familar with you back then she might have been a little aloof with someone she didn't know.

After the trial, I don't think she trusted anyone.

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:44 pm

It's possible that Lizzie thought that the money would buy her a passage through high society in Fall River and New York. It didn't work in Fall River but it may have worked for awhile in New York. Perhaps the excitement of "hob-knobing" with a "hatchet killer" wore thin and Lizzie's "friends" slipped away leaving Lizzie alone. Her remaining in Fall River may have been Lizzie's way of "sticking it to" Fall River for turning it's back on her. It's interesting to speculate.

-1bigsteve (o:

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:28 pm

I think it was her way of sticking it to all the stuck up snobs that didn't want any thing to do with her. You know, I am not going any where; I am staying put, you aren't going to do away with me.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:32 am

There is a news item that says Lizzie wanted to stay in Fall River so that when the real killer was caught she would be there to be vindicated.

Snokkums, Lizzie did not promote women's right to vote. She had supporters who did, but we don't have the knowledge that Lizzie herself was a Suffragette.

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:10 pm

Many Cancerians are introverted, but "still waters run deep". I suspect that she had very strong emotions, and longed for closeness. She probably devoured romance novels, and fantasized a great deal. Lizzie would most likely never have shared such things at home for fear of ridicule. I just can't imagine Andrew saying "You will find a good man, my beautiful daughter. Please pass the Polaner All Fruit."

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:35 pm

I hate to disagree, but I don't think I know any "introverted" Cancers. And I am a Cancer.
However, I can imagine another water sign that might possibly be described thusly: Scorpio? also as to: "still waters run deep"

stargazer · Post by **stargazer** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:18 pm

I know a few Cancerians who have a lot of Leo Planets, and they are outgoing, but I have one Friend who is Cancer, and I get frustrated trying to pry more than a few words from him. I need to see if I can find Lizzie's chart. I did it a long time ago. There may be one online. Must be a doozie.

patsy · Post by **patsy** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:06 am

It would seem that Lizzie would have gone more cold in nature after all that trauma of the deaths and the trial, and most likely knowing that many people still thought her to be guilty.

I'm a cancer too and very emotional, but when it comes to any crisis in my life I turn inward and hide my feelings. It seems like a defense mechanism to prevent my falling totally apart I guess. Not falling apart would seem very important to me maybe because I have a need to stay in control at all times.

Bob Gutowski · Post by **Bob Gutowski** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:14 pm

My sister is a Cancerian, and introverted she ain't.

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:48 pm

Far be it from me to step on anyone's beliefs but I love what Naomi Judd had to say about astrology on page 77 of the hardback version of her book, "Love Can Build A Bridge" after giving astrology a try:

"Imbued with an insatiable curiosity about anything and everything, I loved discovering things for myself. I opened myself to new experiences while maintaining my inner reserve. In this case I quickly arrived at the informed conclusion that astrology is arcane flapdoodle. Pure myth and folklore with absolutely no basis in science or truth."

She has a way of speaking her mind without worrying how others take it. I love her outspokenness. She has guts.

-1bigsteve (o:

kssunflower · Post by **kssunflower** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:27 pm

I don't put much stock in astrology either, though it is fun to read the daily horoscopes. Part of what is so intriguing to me about Lizzie is her known kindness to animals and little children. Usually when I envision a murderer or suspected one, they have shown cruelty to animals. Unless the story about Abby's cat is true?

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:51 am

All my Cancers throw parties and are very sociable- and one was a roadie for a rock band and was in front of large audiences, and also played drums in a band.

They all seem to shine in company.
I have no Leo in me at all.