Court TV- Lindbergh
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Kat
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Court TV- Lindbergh
Wednesday night at 9 p.m. EDST, East Coast, Court TV is "Revisiting" the Lindbergh case. The one which was done on the Ramsey case was excellent. This should be good. It's new- May Sweeps Week.
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The Lindbergh show was OK. The first half recounted the story. The news reel footage is always interesting.
The scientists did prove to their modern satisfaction that Hauptman did write all the authentic notes and the side of the ladder did come from the wood of his attic. His lathe was also used by comparing tool maks.
However, they left us with the question as to whether there was inside help from the household. It showed that only 2 sections of the ladder was used- they showed the marks on the outside wall- and so since it stopped 2 1/2 feet shy of the baby's window they do believe the baby was passed outside by someone inside. Since they say about $40,000 of the ramsom has never shown up, this could account for that. That's about it.
I feel confident that they did prove the writing and the wood matching.
They had a photo taken the day after the crime which was of the ladder- a sideways view. This photo was compared to the wood supposedly from the attic. The rings matched, the unique characteristics in the wood matched and the lathe marks which shaved the side of the wood matched the tool.
For handwriting, they had 3 experts, one being German and who checked the unique writing against the German Copybook used to teach writing in the German schools back when. It did show some similar characteristics of Hauptman's writing. It was compared to see if it a person who was first schooled in German writing could have formed some of the odd characteristics, while trying to see if the person was merely faking their writing. There was some attempt to disguise the writing but Hauptman's did match, especially his "N", and the open "o" in "boy" among others.
The scientists did prove to their modern satisfaction that Hauptman did write all the authentic notes and the side of the ladder did come from the wood of his attic. His lathe was also used by comparing tool maks.
However, they left us with the question as to whether there was inside help from the household. It showed that only 2 sections of the ladder was used- they showed the marks on the outside wall- and so since it stopped 2 1/2 feet shy of the baby's window they do believe the baby was passed outside by someone inside. Since they say about $40,000 of the ramsom has never shown up, this could account for that. That's about it.
I feel confident that they did prove the writing and the wood matching.
They had a photo taken the day after the crime which was of the ladder- a sideways view. This photo was compared to the wood supposedly from the attic. The rings matched, the unique characteristics in the wood matched and the lathe marks which shaved the side of the wood matched the tool.
For handwriting, they had 3 experts, one being German and who checked the unique writing against the German Copybook used to teach writing in the German schools back when. It did show some similar characteristics of Hauptman's writing. It was compared to see if it a person who was first schooled in German writing could have formed some of the odd characteristics, while trying to see if the person was merely faking their writing. There was some attempt to disguise the writing but Hauptman's did match, especially his "N", and the open "o" in "boy" among others.
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I had seen this program in the listings but was out for a couple of hours last night and forgot to record it. I picked up a used book recently entitled Lindbergh: The Crime by Noel Behn. It was published in 1994. I have not read it.
A few months ago I did see a program on the Ramsey case. I don't remember whether it was on Court TV but it might have been. It was an interesting review of the case and analyzed the part the child beauty contests might have played in what happened.
A few months ago I did see a program on the Ramsey case. I don't remember whether it was on Court TV but it might have been. It was an interesting review of the case and analyzed the part the child beauty contests might have played in what happened.
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All the German handwriting expert proves is that anyone who learned German from those same books could've written the note. Hauptman said that is friend left the money at his home. His friend was also German. I believe thats possible. As for an inside job, I think the idea that Violet Sharp committed suicide soon after she started being questioned by police, and the fact that she lied about her where abouts, points to her. This and the fact that the family was not even supposed to be staying at the house at the time that they were. The decided to stay over because the baby was sick.Kat @ Thu May 12, 2005 4:19 am wrote: However, they left us with the question as to whether there was inside help from the household. It showed that only 2 sections of the ladder was used- they showed the marks on the outside wall- and so since it stopped 2 1/2 feet shy of the baby's window they do believe the baby was passed outside by someone inside. Since they say about $40,000 of the ramsom has never shown up, this could account for that. That's about it.
For handwriting, they had 3 experts, one being German and who checked the unique writing against the German Copybook used to teach writing in the German schools back when. It did show some similar characteristics of Hauptman's writing. It was compared to see if it a person who was first schooled in German writing could have formed some of the odd characteristics, while trying to see if the person was merely faking their writing. There was some attempt to disguise the writing but Hauptman's did match, especially his "N", and the open "o" in "boy" among others.
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I did see the show, though I missed parts here and there because I was doing other things. I've also read a lot about the case in the past. Violet Sharp always struck me as being involved somehow. There are just too many red flags waving. I have the movie "Crime of Century" although I haven't watched it in some time. The case really caught my interest for awhile, but it is one case where my interest comes and goes.Kat @ Thu May 12, 2005 10:10 pm wrote:Did you see the show, Allen?
Maybe I didn't stress the German handwriting anaylist's proper place in the show or his results in an understandable way.
They never mentioned who on the inside- which surprised me.
They did bring up past pranks which Lindbergh played about the baby being kidnapped.
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Well, they wanted 3 experts so that the German connection was not biased or standing alone.
What they brought out about the copybook style was thast no one had checked back to how a German would write his letters, basing this on fact that they had been taught to write differently. So since that hadn't been done they just checked in what style any German would write from learning in school.
Then he compared the common features of what looked bizarre to us, turned out to be this practical German writing.
Once that was established they compared Hauptmann's personal idiosyncracies with the exemplar taught in schools.
They showed the letters which looked odd to us as being German, and then showed what looked odd to us as being Hauptmann. They also had 2 other experts looking at the notes and comparing then to Hauptmann. They each reached the same conclusion, independently. Which is what convinced me.
I figured you had background in the case but if you didn't see the writing comparison part exactly as shown on the show, I didn't think I had explained it as fully as I might have so that it was understood how they reached a conclusion of not just any German, but this German.
What they brought out about the copybook style was thast no one had checked back to how a German would write his letters, basing this on fact that they had been taught to write differently. So since that hadn't been done they just checked in what style any German would write from learning in school.
Then he compared the common features of what looked bizarre to us, turned out to be this practical German writing.
Once that was established they compared Hauptmann's personal idiosyncracies with the exemplar taught in schools.
They showed the letters which looked odd to us as being German, and then showed what looked odd to us as being Hauptmann. They also had 2 other experts looking at the notes and comparing then to Hauptmann. They each reached the same conclusion, independently. Which is what convinced me.
I figured you had background in the case but if you didn't see the writing comparison part exactly as shown on the show, I didn't think I had explained it as fully as I might have so that it was understood how they reached a conclusion of not just any German, but this German.
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Notes
That Lindbergh Case Re-Opened show was on again tonight.
I took notes during the handwriting analysis to be clear.
These are my notes- hope it explains the methodology:
I took notes during the handwriting analysis to be clear.
These are my notes- hope it explains the methodology:
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