Television and Videotapes
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Deputy347k9
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Television and Videotapes
As a first time poster, I must say, I am very excited to take part in your forum. As we all know, "in real life", unlike on television, videotapes of murders are unquestionably rare. The investigation and trial, therefore, are fallible human efforts at reconstructing the past. Without overwelming proof or the confession of the culprit (s), it is difficult to know beyond a reasonable doubt precisely what ocurred. When we look at the crime scene, behavioral indicators of the four potential suspects and motive we are led to only one of the four. I did view last evenings showing of the crime and found it interesting to say the least. There was no basis for the over dramatized dipiction of Bridget Sullivan. In this particular case, as in more recent times, poor handeling of the crime scene, victims, suspects and then merging this with a dream team of lawyers we lost sight of the crime we were to investigate. What ever happened to the hatchet that fourteen year old Arthur Potter found on top of John Crowe's barn roof (June 14, 1893)? We can only imagine the out come if the police of that day had DNA testing. Again, my many thanks for allowing me the opportunity to take part.
Respectfully,
Deputy347k9
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Harry
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Welcome to the forum Deputy! Always nice to have someone with experience with the law.
I researched what happened to the hatchet found by Potter. On page 105 of Len Rebello's Lizzie Borden: Past and Present he has this to say:
"Note: It was eleven year old Freddie Potter, son of Caleb C. Potter, who found the axe at Crowe's barn while playing ball on Third Street. Two days after the axe was found, The Fall River Daily Herald, June 17, 1893, reported the axe as belonging to Carl MacDonnell, a carpenter who had been working in the area. He lost an axe similar to the one found at Crowe's barn."
In an article in the Evening Standard it said the police were examining it closely on June 15th. At that time the trial only had a few days to go and it was not introduced as evidence.
Robert Flyn'n's Lizzie Borden and the Mysterious Axe discusses the incident .
BTW, great looking K9 dog.
I researched what happened to the hatchet found by Potter. On page 105 of Len Rebello's Lizzie Borden: Past and Present he has this to say:
"Note: It was eleven year old Freddie Potter, son of Caleb C. Potter, who found the axe at Crowe's barn while playing ball on Third Street. Two days after the axe was found, The Fall River Daily Herald, June 17, 1893, reported the axe as belonging to Carl MacDonnell, a carpenter who had been working in the area. He lost an axe similar to the one found at Crowe's barn."
In an article in the Evening Standard it said the police were examining it closely on June 15th. At that time the trial only had a few days to go and it was not introduced as evidence.
Robert Flyn'n's Lizzie Borden and the Mysterious Axe discusses the incident .
BTW, great looking K9 dog.
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Kat
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HI!
Think how many hatchets and axes were found!
5 by the trial and more a total of 6 or 7 if you count Crowe's roof hatchet and the one supposedly found in the barn wall when it was torn down. (Tho I think that turned out to be more like a hammer?)
I liked the Claw-head hatchet- it was sharp, it had cotten fibers and it was thought to be THE weapon thru the Preliminary Hearing. I wonder what happened to That?
Think how many hatchets and axes were found!
5 by the trial and more a total of 6 or 7 if you count Crowe's roof hatchet and the one supposedly found in the barn wall when it was torn down. (Tho I think that turned out to be more like a hammer?)
I liked the Claw-head hatchet- it was sharp, it had cotten fibers and it was thought to be THE weapon thru the Preliminary Hearing. I wonder what happened to That?
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lydiapinkham
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What happened to the K9 dog? I can't see it. Nice to have a member of the force with us!
I loved the dollhouse re-enactment stuff. Just think of the fun we could all have with a scale model of 92 2nd! It is a great tool for seeing where each person was (or could be) and when. (One thing we have to remember is that the timeline is based on the fallible/unreliable testimony of neighbors and suspects. Neighbors may have incomplete knowledge; household members may be lying.) That unreliable witnessing is what keeps bringing me back: the possibilities are endless!
You're right about all those hatchets, Kat. It's like they tossed the rest out once they settled on the handleless one.
--Lyddie
I loved the dollhouse re-enactment stuff. Just think of the fun we could all have with a scale model of 92 2nd! It is a great tool for seeing where each person was (or could be) and when. (One thing we have to remember is that the timeline is based on the fallible/unreliable testimony of neighbors and suspects. Neighbors may have incomplete knowledge; household members may be lying.) That unreliable witnessing is what keeps bringing me back: the possibilities are endless!
You're right about all those hatchets, Kat. It's like they tossed the rest out once they settled on the handleless one.
--Lyddie